Real Clear Politics quietly changes Biden to below 270

In a race to be "first" they become part of the problem rather than a part of a solution. It isn't reporting when you become part of the story, it becomes advocating.

Agreed the "race to be first" is a problem. Agreed that it could become advocating, but IMO it's all about ratings.

In the media world, as this website proves, ratings = money. The more viewers, members, supporters, etc, the more money is made.
 
In a race to be "first" they become part of the problem rather than a part of a solution. It isn't reporting when you become part of the story, it becomes advocating.

Did you complain about it in any previous election?

Without recounts, Trump has lost all of the states in question. There are only 2 states - WI and GA - where an argument for recount is legit according to statute.

No one has ever held off on calling an election to wait for recounts. Recounts generally don't make a difference if the margin of victory is beyond a few hundred votes.
 
The only thing that changed is mail ballots.

There was nothing to contest in 2016 besides the Russian idiocy. And let’s not forget the FL debacle in 2000 that dragged on to December.

Your denial Russia interfered in the 2016 election is disproved by fact.

Sorry, comrade Darth, but this isn't 2000. That was twenty years ago. Millions of Americans voted in this election who weren't even born yet during the Bush/Gore election. Times have changed and the election system is more secure because of it no matter how many Russian agents try to claim it's the same.
 
Did you complain about it in any previous election?

Without recounts, Trump has lost all of the states in question. There are only 2 states - WI and GA - where an argument for recount is legit according to statute.

No one has ever held off on calling an election to wait for recounts. Recounts generally don't make a difference if the margin of victory is beyond a few hundred votes.

Yup. I believe that no results should be reported to the media until after the last poll closes in Hawai'i and then only results, no "calling" the states, etc. Just report when the counts are done what the result was, what was certified.

I have said this for decades and decades. I think the media causes many of our issues during elections, and they do it because contention creates ratings. It is irresponsible, it isn't reporting, again... I call it "advocating" for contention. With "friends" like the media, we don't need "enemies" or interference.
 
Did you complain about it in any previous election?

Without recounts, Trump has lost all of the states in question. There are only 2 states - WI and GA - where an argument for recount is legit according to statute.

No one has ever held off on calling an election to wait for recounts. Recounts generally don't make a difference if the margin of victory is beyond a few hundred votes.

Since there’s nothing to worry about, why doesn’t Joe get behind it? It would be great politics because then he could say he wanted to be sure it was a fair election and it would dovetail perfectly with his call for unity.
 
Yup. I believe that no results should be reported to the media until after the last poll closes in Hawai'i and then only results, no "calling" the states, etc. Just report when the counts are done what the result was, what was certified.

I have said this for decades and decades. I think the media causes many of our issues during elections, and they do it because contention creates ratings. It is irresponsible, it isn't reporting, again... I call it "advocating" for contention. With "friends" like the media, we don't need "enemies" or interference.

Really? You've been calling for this for decades?

So, there is probably a post after the 2016 election from you on this one?
 
Since there’s nothing to worry about, why doesn’t Joe get behind it? It would be great politics because then he could say he wanted to be sure it was a fair election and it would dovetail perfectly with his call for unity.

Truth.
 
Your denial Russia interfered in the 2016 election is disproved by fact.

Sorry, comrade Darth, but this isn't 2000. That was twenty years ago. Millions of Americans voted in this election who weren't even born yet during the Bush/Gore election. Times have changed and the election system is more secure because of it no matter how many Russian agents try to claim it's the same.

How many votes were changed by the Russians? Give me a number.

I’ll wait.
 
Rudy could very well find himself on the wrong side of a courtroom in 2021. Most probably civil court, but criminal court isn't out of the question.

Which is exactly why he and Bannon are going all out attempting to sell that Trump was cheated, they want those pardons
 
Since there’s nothing to worry about, why doesn’t Joe get behind it? It would be great politics because then he could say he wanted to be sure it was a fair election and it would dovetail perfectly with his call for unity.

He can't support Trump's rhetoric.

Biden was the one on election eve calling for calm and a full count of all the votes. Trump wanted the states called for him with 70% of the vote counted.

Trump is now saying - as he always has - that there is definitive massive fraud and widespread illegality. He's not calmly calling for a recount & standard investigation into irregularities.

"Why doesn't Joe get behind it?" Please.
 
Really? You've been calling for this for decades?

So, there is probably a post after the 2016 election from you on this one?

Probably. I wouldn't know the wording, but probably. If not then certainly 2012. I especially was vocal about it after 2000 election when one half of Florida was still voting when the state was called and then contested massively.

Calling an election is not reporting.
 
The only thing that changed is mail ballots.

There was nothing to contest in 2016 besides the Russian idiocy. And let’s not forget the FL debacle in 2000 that dragged on to December.

Florida was about one State and less than a thousand votes total, this is a combination of States with thousands of votes, apples and oranges
 
Probably. I wouldn't know the wording, but probably. If not then certainly 2012. I especially was vocal about it after 2000 election when one half of Florida was still voting when the state was called and then contested massively.

Calling an election is not reporting.

You REALLY think that you went out of your way to post on here - after the media called that HILLARY CLINTON lost - and appealed for patience and to not listen to the media on it?

Really????
 
He can't support Trump's rhetoric.

Biden was the one on election eve calling for calm and a full count of all the votes. Trump wanted the states called for him with 70% of the vote counted.

Trump is now saying - as he always has - that there is definitive massive fraud and widespread illegality. He's not calmly calling for a recount & standard investigation into irregularities.

"Why doesn't Joe get behind it?" Please.

He doesn’t want to support his rhetoric lol?

What about the tens of millions of voters who are suspicious about Biden’s ‘wee hours of morning comeback’? Are they chopped liver?

I thought Biden wanted to unify the country? What’s he got to lose? He’s a slam dunk winner, right?
 
You REALLY think that you went out of your way to post on here - after the media called that HILLARY CLINTON lost - and appealed for patience and to not listen to the media on it?

Really????

It isn't "out of my way", I own the site. And yeah, I point it out to folks every election. I think calling elections before polls are closed elsewhere is at least in some instances an attempt to control the outcome in other areas that have not been called. That often folks are doing it to create a feeling of inevitability to either suppress or support votes for one side.

I tend to talk about it, because it is something I think about every election year and I own a platform where folks talk about politics. I think your false "incredulity" is silly. If you think I don't then think that. I'm good with it either way. I am making the point now, because I do think that it causes problems.
 
Fine. Let the counts in Arizona (11), Georgia (16) and Pennsylvania (20) be completed. The EC doesn't meet until December 14th so there's no rush.

FWIW, Biden is ahead in all three with 97%+ of the count completed. All Biden needs to win is one of them to put him at or over 270.

What are the odds Biden will lose all three? What are you wiling to bet Trump wins all three?
I say do whatever needs to be done and then we can all move on. I think it will be funny if they continue to cry over the results after telling Hillary devotees to “get over it”.
 
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2020/president/

Yep they changed biden's ec count back down to 259 while nobody was looking.

Ooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! They better start re-boarding those store windows on Rodeo Drive!
And, all those congrats from Nethanyahu, Saudi Arabia, Cuba & Venezuela to Plugs!!!! Oooooooooooooo!!!!! :laugh:


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He doesn’t want to support his rhetoric lol?

What about the tens of millions of voters who are suspicious about Biden’s ‘wee hours of morning comeback’? Are they chopped liver?

I thought Biden wanted to unify the country? What’s he got to lose? He’s a slam dunk winner, right?

Well, their advice is to do what they didn't. Just "get over it", even though they never did. They actually expect it. It's like they fully understand that the adults in the "room" should get over it even when others do not.
 
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