Attacker Ahmaud Arbery - new information

[Legion]

GOOD SHOOTIN'​

The Glynn County Coroner conducted an autopsy the day after the reckless attacker Ahmaud Arbery's death, and found the 25-year-old criminal who assaulted Travis McMichaels died from 2 close-range shotgun blasts in his chest.

Postmortem X-rays show 2 separate groups of buckshot pellets.

The deceased had a graze wound on his right wrist.

A Georgia Bureau of Investigation report, dated April 1, includes a description of what the man who attacked Mr. McMichaels was wearing when Mr. McMichaels was forced to defend himself from the gun-grabbing assault.

The attacker was wearing a white t-shirt that matched the description given to a 911 dispatcher, tan cargo shorts, gray athletic shoes and 2 tan bandanas.

 

[Celticguy]

Three shots aint good shooting.
Then again cops are not known for their marksmanship.

 

[Legion]

Convicted criminal Ahmaud Arbery, 25, was allegedly "jogging" in the Satilla Shores neighborhood outside Brunswick, Georgia, on February 23 of this year when he was fatally shot after attacking Travis McMichaels, 34.

Travis' father, Greg McMichael, a former police officer and investigator, thought Arbery looked like a suspect who had been sighted trespassing, according to a police incident report.

The month before Arbery was shot while attacking Travis McMichaels, a gun was reported stolen from an unlocked vehicle in front of the McMichaels' home, Glynn County police Lt. Cheri Bashlor said.

After spotting the suspect entering a home under construction, Greg McMichael called 911 to request police assistance. During the call, he advised the 911 dispatcher that the suspect was fleeing the scene.

The elder McMichael armed himself with a handgun, while his son Travis chose a shotgun, and they followed the suspect, according to the report.

On two occasions, the suspect evaded them. When they caught up to him a third time, Greg McMichael remained in the vehicle, while Travis McMichael exited the truck holding a shotgun and asked the suspect to stop and talk.

Instead, the suspect rushed toward Mr. McMichael, striking him and grabbing for the shotgun in a dramatic melee caught on cellphone video by a motorist who witnessed the attack.

A struggle ensued between Travis McMichael and Arbery. The shotgun went off three times. Whether this was an intentional act of self defense or an inadvertent result of the struggle is not known.

When police arrived at the scene, the attacker was dead.

Two District Attorneys rendered legal opinions based on the evidence (including the video of the assault) and stated that under Georgia law, no charges could be justified against the McMichaels.

Both recused themselves because the elder McMichaels had served as an investigator for their offices prior to his retirement.

 

[Legion]

Three shots aint good shooting. Then again cops are not known for their marksmanship.

Travis McMichaels was never a police officer, AFAIK, and it's not known how the shotgun went off.

I wonder how you'd fare in a hand to hand struggle with an assailant.

That said, a shotgun (or any long gun) is not an ideal weapon for close quarters. IMO Travis McMichaels was surprised by the attack upon his person. He gave up any tactical advantage he had by allowing the suspect to rush him and grab for his weapon.

 

[RB 60]

Travis McMichaels was never a police officer, AFAIK, and it's not known how the shotgun went off.

I wonder how you'd fare in a hand to hand struggle with an assailant.

That said, a shotgun (or any long gun) is not an ideal weapon for close quarters. IMO Travis McMichaels was surprised by the attack upon his person. He gave up any tactical advantage he had by allowing the suspect to rush him and grab for his weapon.

Why did they even need a gun then. Two men, twice the size of the jogger, should have easily handled the "situation" hand to hand, don't ya think?

 

[Legion]

Why did they even need a gun then. Two men, twice the size of the jogger, should have easily handled the "situation" hand to hand, don't ya think?

There was no way they could have known the "jogger", who was fleeing a crime scene, BTW, was unarmed.

 

[RB 60]

There was no way they could have known the "jogger", who was fleeing a crime scene, BTW, was unarmed.

It would be obvious he wasn't armed. He's too damn skinny to have had a weapon that wouldn't have shown. Fleeing what "crime scene"? With what in hand?

 

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More new information. English says that nothing was ever taken from the site.

 

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The property belongs to Larry English, who said that CCTV had captured a trespasser on the property a number of times before Feb. 23.

“After the first time that video captured someone in the house, Mr. English contacted local law enforcement on a non-emergency number and made them aware of the unauthorized entry onto his property,” said English’s attorney Elizabeth Graddy in a statement. “He never used the word ‘burglary.’ He never shared any of this information with the McMichaels, whom he did not even know. Nothing was ever stolen from the house – which, again, was a construction site.”

The statement went on to say that “even if there had been a robbery,” the English family would not have wanted a “vigilante response.” The statement also says that English was not the person who contacted authorities on Feb. 23.

Merritt Law Firm, the firm representing Arbery’s family, said it had reviewed the video.

Story continued at https://fox6now.com/2020/05/11/1386842/

 

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The plot thickens. Enter William Bryan who was the guy in the car filming the shooting..................

 

[Legion]

The plot thickens. Enter William Bryan who was the guy in the car filming the shooting.

How does the "plot thicken"? The police have had that video from the outset, and Bryan denies being a friend of the McMichaels family, despite opinions to the contrary. Based on the video Mr. Bryan took of the shooting, the police who investigated and two District Attorneys declined to charge either of the McMichaels.

It was not until an attorney "leaked" the video that had been in the investigator's possession for months that the race-baiters and the media put political pressure on the government to arrest two men who are guilty of nothing more than poor judgment, IMO.

 

[Legion]

It would be obvious he wasn't armed. He's too damn skinny to have had a weapon that wouldn't have shown.

That's simply ludicrous. He was wearing cargo shorts, and one of his previous convictions was for carrying a loaded .380 semiautomatic pistol into a high school basketball game.

Fleeing what "crime scene"? With what in hand?

Trespass is a crime in Georgia. A trespasser need not have anything "in hand" to be trespassing.

 

[Stretch]

How does the "plot thicken"? The police have had that video from the outset, and Bryan denies being a friend of the McMichaels family, despite opinions to the contrary. Based on the video Mr. Bryan took of the shooting, the police who investigated and two District Attorneys declined to charge either of the McMichaels.

It was not until an attorney "leaked" the video that had been in the investigator's possession for months that the race-baiters and the media put political pressure on the government to arrest two men who are guilty of nothing more than poor judgment, IMO.

Poetic license. When mystery books and movies bring new things in to a story, it's just a saying......."the plot thickens."
No big deal, there will be new things connected to this story always coming up. Evidence, witnesses, photos, trial, etc.

 

[RB 60]

That's simply ludicrous. He was wearing cargo shorts, and one of his previous convictions was for carrying a loaded .380 semiautomatic pistol into a high school basketball game.



Trespass is a crime in Georgia. A trespasser need not have anything "in hand" to be trespassing.

Nope. Not ludicrous. Simple observation. They had no reason to pull a shotgun. No one's life was in danger.
His "record" is irrelevant. They wouldn't have known anyway. Gun ownership comes with responsibility.

Yes. Trespassing is also a crime up here in PA too. Nope. They don't need anything in hand to be trespassing.
No one has authority, with the exception of law enforcement, to enforce trespassing law on another person's property.

 

[Legion]

Poetic license. When mystery books and movies bring new things in to a story, it's just a saying......."the plot thickens." No big deal, there will be new things connected to this story always coming up. Evidence, witnesses, photos, trial, etc.

I am concerned that the accused will not be able to get a fair trial in this case. The fact that two District Attorneys advised that no charges were justified speaks volumes, unless you think there's a massive racist conspiracy in Georgia to shield white murderers.

 

[Legion]

Nope. Not ludicrous. Simple observation.

And an incorrect one. Concealed weapons are just that - concealed.

There's a reason that suspects are always searched for weapons, even the skinny ones.

They had no reason to pull a shotgun. No one's life was in danger.

The video doesn't support that contention.

His "record" is irrelevant. They wouldn't have known anyway.

You don't know that Greg McMichaels didn't know. Hie served for 40 years as a local police officer and as an investigator for two County prosecutors. It is feasible that he would have been familiar with Arbery's record.

The likelihood that a suspect might be armed when they are a felon previously convicted of unlawful possession of a firearm is hardly irrelevant in that situation.

Police are trained to always assume a suspect may be armed. If Greg McMichaels recognized Arbery, he might have considered being armed a reasonable precaution.

And there's nothing illegal about openly carrying a firearm in Georgia.

No one has authority, with the exception of law enforcement, to enforce trespassing law on another person's property.

Georgia law says they do.

 

[Legion]

 

[RB 60]

And an incorrect one. Concealed weapons are just that - concealed.

There's a reason that suspects are always searched for weapons, even the skinny ones.



The video doesn't support that contention.



You don't know that Greg McMichaels didn't know. Hie served for 40 years as a local police officer and as an investigator for two County prosecutors. It is feasible that he would have been familiar with Arbery's record.

The likelihood that a suspect might be armed when they are a felon previously convicted of unlawful possession of a firearm is hardly irrelevant in that situation.

Police are trained to always assume a suspect may be armed. If Greg McMichaels recognized Arbery, he might have considered being armed a reasonable precaution.

And there's nothing illegal about openly carrying a firearm in Georgia.



Georgia law says they do.

I know what a concealed weapon is.
There was no probable cause to search the jogger, read our constitution.

IF he was any kind of law enforcement, he'd have known the law. He broke it.
The rest of your rant is irrelevant. It all comes down to responsibility. Simple as that.
And don't feed me your bullshit on firearms training. I've got 20 years on you of teaching it.

 

[Celticguy]

Travis McMichaels was never a police officer, AFAIK, and it's not known how the shotgun went off.

I wonder how you'd fare in a hand to hand struggle with an assailant.

That said, a shotgun (or any long gun) is not an ideal weapon for close quarters. IMO Travis McMichaels was surprised by the attack upon his person. He gave up any tactical advantage he had by allowing the suspect to rush him and grab for his weapon.

There is the first shot that only grazed a wrist.

 

[Legion]

I know what a concealed weapon is.

It doesn't look like you do. According to you, skinny people can't conceal a weapon.

It would be obvious he wasn't armed. He's too damn skinny to have had a weapon that wouldn't have shown.

There was no probable cause to search the jogger, read our constitution.

So you say. Neither of the McMichaels were law enforcement officers at the time of the shooting, and citizen's arrests are legal in Georgia.

IF he was any kind of law enforcement, he'd have known the law. He broke it.

What law did Greg McMichaels supposedly "break"?

The rest of your rant is irrelevant. It all comes down to responsibility. Simple as that.

Your opinion is noted.

And don't feed me your bullshit on firearms training.

I don't recall mentioning "firearms training".

I've got 20 years on you of teaching it.

Maybe you do, maybe you don't.