Blue Wall Continues To Crumble Around Chauvin

[Dutch Uncle]

Really? I think that's the most probable outcome given that it only takes one juror.

After further research, yes, a hung jury is technically a "mistrial jury", but there are several options available to the Judge and the Prosecution under a hung jury which are not available under a mistrial:

https://lawcdh.com/2020/05/19/what-happens-if-there-is-a-mistrial-due-to-a-hung-jury
In the event of a hung jury, the judge may instruct the jury to deliberate further to see if they can reach a unanimous decision if given more time. In other cases, the judge may allow another hearing to be held where the jury is allowed to present a list of questions for the parties involved to answer. Sometimes, a judge may go straight to declaring a mistrial. If more time or more information for the jury does not lead to a unanimous verdict, the judge may then declare a mistrial.

After a mistrial has been declared due to a hung jury, the prosecutor has the option of considering how to proceed. In some cases, the prosecutor may end up dismissing the charges levied against the defendant. In other cases, a plea bargain may be reached after a mistrial has been declared. If neither of these things occur, the mistrial will end up leading to the defendant being tried on all of the same charges in another trial to be held at a later date. Double jeopardy does not apply in the event of a mistrial. This is because double jeopardy only applies when an individual has been convicted of a crime. Once convicted, the individual cannot be tried for the same crime. A mistrial, however, does not result in a conviction. Therefore, the individual can be tried once again.

 

[Nomad]

Case in point. Garner was not resisting, and was attacked within seconds of asking why he was being cuffed. There were (once again) 4 or 5 cops present that could have reasoned with him, given that he stood no chance of avoiding the cuffs with so many of them.

Yes he was resisting.

He was fighting their efforts from the time the cops approached him, telling them to leave him alone before they had even laid a hand on him.

A grand jury even refused to indict them.

I guess you forgot the movie they made about the place.

No, I didn't. But what has a movie got to do with your questionable at best claim about being related to cops assigned there?

Nothing that I can see,

Spoken like a cop. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

Easy for a keyboard commando sjw to say from the safety and comfort of his living room.

Frustration is understandable. Bust them one day, and they're out on the street next week. A revolving door.

Cops are human beings. They are subject to the same kinds of emotional stress and occasional lapses that we all are. Expecting them to be 100% perfect all the time and holding their feet to the fire every time some criminal dirt bag with a bloodstream full of deadly narcotics and internal organ damage from years of self-poisoning, dies while resisting arrest, is counterproductive at best.

At some point, and this has already happened according to some, the police are just gong to quit responding to complaints in certain high crime neighborhoods for fear of the possible repercussions of trying to deal with this subhuman scum.

Maybe being a kindergarten cop more suited to your frustrations.

So now you're back to talking about those pansy-ass uncles of yours again, eh?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Damning for sure. But without the boring testimony from numerous sources, the Defense could easily convince the jury that Chauvin was following protocols.

Doubtful but stranger things have happened. I fail to see how that could reasonably happen.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Waffle all you like, neef, but the fact remains you don't want to back up your opinion with either facts or money and now your knickers are in a bunch because I pointed out that fact.

Keep posting, Oom.

But take a baby aspirin before you stroke out.

I'm not wearing knickers, but my bathrobe actually looks pretty good.
It's getting warmer so I've just switched from terry to silk.
This one's by my friend, Enzo Fosella. He made the suit in which I got married, but he's elderly and retired now.

Good thing we're not on Skype.
You might get excited.

 

[Nomad]

"let's go to the video tape"

The video is not the "proof" people are saying it is.

The video does not show the level of weight or pressure Chauvin is placing on Floyd and it does not show whether or not his knee is directly on the carotid artery.

The ME report says he died of a heart attack that occurred while he was being subdued and held down by police.

It does not say anything about the blood to his brain being cut off or asphyxia etc.

Any witness testimony being given for the state by other employees of the police dept, the state or any other govt agency are questionable because they could be testifying under pressure from above to sacrifice Chauvin for the sake of avoiding further riots and destruction.

 

[Althea]

After further research, yes, a hung jury is technically a "mistrial jury", but there are several options available to the Judge and the Prosecution under a hung jury which are not available under a mistrial:

https://lawcdh.com/2020/05/19/what-happens-if-there-is-a-mistrial-due-to-a-hung-jury
In the event of a hung jury, the judge may instruct the jury to deliberate further to see if they can reach a unanimous decision if given more time. In other cases, the judge may allow another hearing to be held where the jury is allowed to present a list of questions for the parties involved to answer. Sometimes, a judge may go straight to declaring a mistrial. If more time or more information for the jury does not lead to a unanimous verdict, the judge may then declare a mistrial.

After a mistrial has been declared due to a hung jury, the prosecutor has the option of considering how to proceed. In some cases, the prosecutor may end up dismissing the charges levied against the defendant. In other cases, a plea bargain may be reached after a mistrial has been declared. If neither of these things occur, the mistrial will end up leading to the defendant being tried on all of the same charges in another trial to be held at a later date. Double jeopardy does not apply in the event of a mistrial. This is because double jeopardy only applies when an individual has been convicted of a crime. Once convicted, the individual cannot be tried for the same crime. A mistrial, however, does not result in a conviction. Therefore, the individual can be tried once again.

Yes...that's what I was talking about. One juror starts this process

 

[Althea]

Doubtful but stranger things have happened. I fail to see how that could reasonably happen.

LOL. 'Jury of ones peers'.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes...that's what I was talking about. One juror starts this process

God Bless America....and the Second Amendment.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

LOL. 'Jury of ones peers'.

Best, IMO, not to be too overly concerned about the fate Derek Cauvin who is only a hero the White Supremacist Alt-Right, and be more focused upon what good can come from the murder of George Floyd? Sure, a second concern will be the credibility of American Justice if a police officer can murder a man in broad daylight and fully documented from multiple directions and sources then get away with it.

OJ was bad enough, but there was "reasonable doubt". The fucking LAPD didn't help themselves by being racist, evidence-planting assholes. They hurt everybody by doing so. I wish more people would understand that point.

Luckily for OJ, there wasn't a security camera at the house or a neighbor with a cellphone to verify the murder.

I'm going to start a thread about public cameras and tracking. Thanks for the idea.

 

[Nordberg]

The video is not the "proof" people are saying it is.

The video does not show the level of weight or pressure Chauvin is placing on Floyd and it does not show whether or not his knee is directly on the carotid artery.

The ME report says he died of a heart attack that occurred while he was being subdued and held down by police.

It does not say anything about the blood to his brain being cut off or asphyxia etc.

Any witness testimony being given for the state by other employees of the police dept, the state or any other govt agency are questionable because they could be testifying under pressure from above to sacrifice Chauvin for the sake of avoiding further riots and destruction.

yeah. it shows the weight. He was on his toes with all his weight on Floyds neck. That is exactly what was testified to.

 

[Nomad]

yeah. it shows the weight. He was on his toes with all his weight on Floyds neck. That is exactly what was testified to.

And how did the person who testified know exactly how much of his weight Chauvin brought to bear upon Floyd's neck or if that weight was actually pressing down squarely on the carotid artery?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, nor am I disputing the claims.

I'm just asking what I feel are legitimate questions and points that should be brought up by the defense.

The only two people in the world who know/knew the amount of force Chauvin was putting behind his knee and exactly where that force was being placed, are Chauvin and Floyd themselves.

I don't know if the defense has begun making its case or not, but if/when they do, I would think that they'd bring up those points in order to try to create reasonable doubt.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

Chauvin is the kind of Cop that most Cops want to take out back and beat the crap out of with a baton!

JUST SAYIN'!

 

[Althea]

Best, IMO, not to be too overly concerned about the fate Derek Cauvin who is only a hero the White Supremacist Alt-Right, and be more focused upon what good can come from the murder of George Floyd? Sure, a second concern will be the credibility of American Justice if a police officer can murder a man in broad daylight and fully documented from multiple directions and sources then get away with it.

OJ was bad enough, but there was "reasonable doubt". The fucking LAPD didn't help themselves by being racist, evidence-planting assholes. They hurt everybody by doing so. I wish more people would understand that point.

Luckily for OJ, there wasn't a security camera at the house or a neighbor with a cellphone to verify the murder.

I'm going to start a thread about public cameras and tracking. Thanks for the idea.

I'm not positive that evidence was planted in the OJ case, as pretty much every cop that ever showed up at his house after he bloodied his wife, left with an autograph. He was universally loved before this trial.

The jury in OJ's trial was not judging OJ. They were judging the cops who got away with beating Rodney King to a pulp.

 

[Althea]

Chauvin is the kind of Cop that most Cops want to take out back and beat the crap out of with a baton!

JUST SAYIN'!

It's true. It makes their job harder.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I'm not positive that evidence was planted in the OJ case, as pretty much every cop that ever showed up at his house after he bloodied his wife, left with an autograph. He was universally loved before this trial.

The jury in OJ's trial was not judging OJ. They were judging the cops who got away with beating Rodney King to a pulp.

Are you saying the black jury voted to acquit out of revenge for Rodney King? Isn't that a violation of their oath and duties?

 

[Althea]

And how did the person who testified know exactly how much of his weight Chauvin brought to bear upon Floyd's neck or if that weight was actually pressing down squarely on the carotid artery?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, nor am I disputing the claims.

I'm just asking what I feel are legitimate questions and points that should be brought up by the defense.

The only two people in the world who know/knew the amount of force Chauvin was putting behind his knee and exactly where that force was being placed, are Chauvin and Floyd themselves.

I don't know if the defense has begun making its case or not, but if/when they do, I would think that they'd bring up those points in order to try to create reasonable doubt.

Whereas this is true, we can all think about what our legs would feel like after 8 minutes of kneeling without the use of our hands to keep all of our weight from being applied to what we are kneeling on. Chauvin had his hand in his pocket. I'm trying to figure out how he would only use some of his body weight, given that both knees were on Floyd.

 

[Althea]

Are you saying the black jury voted to acquit out of revenge for Rodney King? Isn't that a violation of their oath and duties?

LOL. Said jury has seen thousands of white juries that put innocent black people in jail. Yes. It's a violation, which is why the entire jury system was revamped after this verdict.

 

[Nomad]

Whereas this is true, we can all think about what our legs would feel like after 8 minutes of kneeling without the use of our hands to keep all of our weight from being applied to what we are kneeling on. Chauvin had his hand in his pocket. I'm trying to figure out how he would only use some of his body weight, given that both knees were on Floyd.

Balance.

 

[Nomad]

LOL. Said jury has seen thousands of white juries that put innocent black people in jail. Yes. It's a violation, which is why the entire jury system was revamped after this verdict.

Oh geez....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

LOL. Said jury has seen thousands of white juries that put innocent black people in jail. Yes. It's a violation, which is why the entire jury system was revamped after this verdict.

So that makes it okay? How did they revamp the jury system? Was that Federal or just California?