Kavanaugh Circus Could Destroy the Me Too Movement

anatta said:
I personally have no confidence of #metoo in terms of politics.
It's not difficult to see this political circus can damage #me too - which was all about being HEARD not simply BELIEVED
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Yep, all of this #metoo garbage and lies will blow up in their faces. No one will take it seriously anymore. Much like the bastardization of the word "racist". Now it's a punch line.
 
Stretch said:
The left is 'crying wolf squared' these days. It takes the punch out of true sexual crimes. Same as crying racism at everything instead of being selectively used for true racist crimes. People become numb and doubtful causing ambivalence at best and complete disregard at worst.
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Bingo
 
archives said:
Interesting how the opinion writer for the National Review used the New Yorker piece, which even the New Yorker raised questions about in the article, and then worked in Avenatti, who no one has taken seriously, to transfer the generalization on to Ford's accusations. Called framing, which you should be aware of anytime you read any opinion piece
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he's painting a picture of the 1/2 baked accusations -the most farcical is of Creepy Porn Lawyer.
You can't take Creepy Porn lawyer seriously sometimes, and then say "no one has taken seriously" other times.
There is nothing wrong with framing an article by pulling in various factors/actors to make a conclusion

And the Me Too Movement isn't going to be set back because of this, in fact, it will probably get stronger. The dismissal of Ford's accusations, the "we're going to plow right thru it" theme will be remembered longer than anything that eventually transpire. Certainly ain't helping the GOP's image, why did you think they had to bring in a women attorney to do their job Thursday?
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they are bringing in a specialist on sexual abuse
( although I don't know the details ) which has been done before by Congress.
You should be happy you are getting someone attuned to sex abuse instead of a bunch of Clueless Old White Guys.

#Metoo won't be damaged in the eyes of leftists feminists, but the average Joe/Jane is gonna say
"WTF is the deal with forcing us to believe an accusation?"
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
But you've already said you always believe the accuser and never the accused.

Just like you believed the accuser of the Duke Lacrosse team and that blew up in your face, just like other accusers that turned out to be liars. :palm:
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I saw where Ford’s democrat lawyers didn’t want republicans to field a female sex crimes prosecutor during the hearing.

I can’t think of a good reason not to. This isn’t just a question of the allegations against Kavanaugh; Kavanaugh has a right know if the allegations made against him are made in good faith.

If Ford was really assaulted by Kavanaugh her lawyers should welcome an expert witness.
 
anatta said:
I personally have no confidence of #metoo in terms of politics.
It's not difficult to see this political circus can damage #me too - which was all about being HEARD not simply BELIEVED
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Sure, like Trump would bring down the NFL, black athletes, Kaepernick, and Nike. :palm:

Goddamn you Trumptards are just incredibly stupid.

Fox News Poll: Record number of voters oppose Kavanaugh nomination
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...umber-voters-oppose-kavanaugh-nomination.html

Support for Brett Kavanaugh is dwindling among voters amid sexual assault allegations
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...naugh-confirmation-poll-christine-blasey-ford

Public support for Kavanaugh had turned negative even before latest allegation of sexual misconduct
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/sup...e-latest-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct.html

Who the fuck told you dumb ass Trumptards that you were popular, well-liked, or supported by the American people?

FAR more likely that Kavanaugh would bring down the Republican Party than the metoo movement.
 
Stargazer said:
Yep, all of this #metoo garbage and lies will blow up in their faces. No one will take it seriously anymore. Much like the bastardization of the word "racist". Now it's a punch line.
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Which is a shame; because I hoped the movement would be used to support woman who have been assaulted, instead of being used as a weapon to attack anyone / everyone.

The really sad part now, is some women will continue to be silent; because they'll wonder how is anyone going to believe them, after this fiasco that the DNC has created. :palm:
 
Republicans worry Kavanaugh allegation could drive suburban women away in midterms

Washington (CNN)Republicans were already concerned that sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh could turn off suburban women and lead to bigger losses in the midterm elections.

And then President Donald Trump tweeted.

Taking direct aim at the credibility of Kavanaugh's accuser, California professor Christine Blasey Ford, Trump wrote, "I have no doubt that, if the attack on Dr. Ford was as bad as she says, charges would have been immediately filed with local Law Enforcement Authorities by either her or her loving parents. I ask that she bring those filings forward so that we can learn date, time, and place!"

The tweet deepened some Republicans' worries about the potential for the allegation to damage the party's candidates. And it's just the latest of two years of events that Democratic candidates and operatives say paint Trump and the Republican Party as callous toward women.

"It's outraging for women. And remember, a large number of American women are survivors of assault," said Krystal Ball, a strategist working closely with several Democratic House candidates.

"You could hardly think of a more galvanizing news event," Ball said. "This election is about backlash to Trump. And this turns it up to 11."

The female backlash against Trump first took shape with the Women's March the day after his inauguration. It hardened during the battle over Obamacare in 2017, and additional flashpoints -- including Trump's support for accused child molester Roy Moore in the Alabama Senate special election, his mocking of the #MeToo movement and news of his hush payments to porn star Stormy Daniels -- have come frequently since then.

That backlash has also led to Democrats nominating record numbers of women up and down the ballot this year.

Female opposition to Trump has already proven potent in races like the Virginia gubernatorial contest last year, when exit polls found that Democratic winner Ralph Northam won female voters by 22 percentage points amid a dramatic suburban swing in his favor compared to 2016 Virginia results.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/kavanaugh-democrats-midterms-suburban-women/index.html

You dummies are incredibly stupid. :0) Mindboggling stupid.

Kavanaugh isn't going to bring down the #metoo movement .. he has energized it just in time for the midterms.

.. dummies

Who told you dummies that you were popular or supported by the American people?
 
anatta said:
It’s been nearly a year since Ronan Farrow torpedoed the career of Harvey Weinstein, printing in The New Yorker a series of credible accusations that the Hollywood producer had sexually abused several women. His piece touched off a firestorm that led to purges of incredibly powerful men in a variety of industries, finally forcing them to face consequences for their sexual misconduct.

Sunday night, though, Farrow and his colleague Jane Mayer did a huge disservice to the Me Too movement by publishing an incredibly thin sexual-abuse allegation against Brett Kavanaugh. That story, a prime example of how some media outlets and left-wing voices have mishandled the accusations against the judge, will likely create a climate in which fewer victims are believed, more innocent men suffer for crimes they didn’t commit, and neutral observers are more inclined to doubt claims of sexual assault.

The political circus overwhelming the Kavanaugh confirmation will almost certainly weaken the Me Too movement in the long run by undermining its promise that the truth matters and that it will enable us to obtain justice.

The slapdash nature of Sunday’s reporting by Farrow and Mayer encourages readers to cast doubt on this newest accusation. They write of Kavanaugh’s accuser, Deborah Ramirez: “In her initial conversations with The New Yorker, she was reluctant to characterize Kavanaugh’s role in the alleged incident with certainty,” saying she was only willing to go on the record “after six days of carefully assessing her memories and consulting with her attorney,” at which point “she felt confident enough of her recollections.” Their effort to publish this story should’ve stopped right there.

What’s more, they couldn’t find a single eyewitness to confirm that Kavanaugh was present at the party Ramirez describes, or even to confirm they heard this account from the accuser herself. One friend of Ramirez’s told The New Yorker:

The only corroboration Farrow and Mayer offer is one hearsay account from someone who says he was told that Kavanaugh did this. We are given no indication from whom this man heard it; for all we know, it could’ve been a tale passed along in a lengthy game of telephone. The New York Times noted on Sunday that its reporters had been aware of the story as well, but had “interviewed several dozen people” and could find no one with firsthand knowledge of Ramirez’s story.

The incident Ramirez describes may have happened, but surely no one can be blamed for reading the New Yorker piece and concluding that it didn’t. If Farrow and Mayer believed Ramirez’s story, they shouldn’t have published it without substantive corroboration in a piece that encourages neutral viewers to doubt women who claim to be victims.

Attorney Michael Avenatti’s claims of new allegations against Kavanaugh, meanwhile, are almost sure to have a similarly damaging effect. If his salacious stories prove false, his decision to peddle them could singlehandedly destroy the Me Too movement. Even if the claims are true, or partly so, he is quite obviously using allegations of severe sexual abuse as a teaser-trailer for his potential 2020 Democratic presidential run, stirring up the kind of political feeding frenzy in which victims often will be disbelieved.

The way that California senator Dianne Feinstein handled Christine Blasey Ford’s letter accusing Kavanaugh of attempted rape also indicates a lack of seriousness on the left: If Feinstein really believed the story, she did Ford a disservice by holding on to it until the last minute. If she cared about achieving justice for a potential victim, she should’ve encouraged Ford to allow her to address the accusation during the confirmation hearing, and she should’ve shared the letter with the full committee. Ford did ask for confidentiality, but she clearly wanted her story to bear on Kavanaugh’s confirmation in some way. If she was willing to share her story at all, she had to be willing to let the resulting process unfold fairly, which included letting the committee investigate her claim and letting Kavanaugh respond to it — even if her name was never attached to it.

Though we don’t know who leaked Ford’s story to the press, it seems most likely that someone on the left deliberately waited until the last possible moment to let it trickle out, in an eleventh-hour effort to tank Kavanaugh. That choice created an atmosphere in which it’d be much less likely that the public would take Ford seriously, hardly what those who care about victims would want.

Meanwhile, Hawaii senator Mazie Hirono has advanced the extremely dangerous notion that it doesn’t matter whether Kavanaugh committed misconduct or not. Last week, she insisted that And when CNN’s Jake Tapper asked Hirono Sunday whether Kavanaugh has “the same presumption of innocence as anyone else in America,” the Democratic senator replied, “I put his denial in the context of everything that I know about him in terms of how he approaches his cases.”

With this answer, Hirono — who casts herself as one of our government’s foremost opponents of sexual abuse — dealt a significant blow to the seriousness of the Me Too movement.
If it doesn’t actually matter whether alleged abusers actually abused anyone, and it’s just a question of partisanship, why should Americans listen to the stories of victims at all?
Just decide whether or not you like the politics of the person being accused, and that’s that.

The idea that we must “believe all women” is similarly reckless, and left-wing activists and abortion-rights groups are pushing it nearly nonstop. Far from being a way to support women, this argument means that the truth of an allegation matters not at all, a terrible development for real victims of assault — not to mention for men falsely accused.

All of this will add up to the average person, who naturally wants justice for survivors, being less inclined to take sexual-abuse allegations seriously, the exact opposite of what the Me Too movement has promised and until now largely delivered. Because these accusations against Kavanaugh have so clearly been weaponized as a partisan tool, it only makes sense that onlookers will dismiss stories presented by biased politicians or shoddy reporting.

When people become numb to outrageous claims launched without verification and wielded by those with no interest in the truth, they will close their eyes to real instances of abuse. This debacle is teaching onlookers to take the stories of victims with a grain of salt. How can the average person be expected to care about seeking justice when so many in the public square seem to care more about advancing an agenda than about discerning who has actually been mistreated or abused?

The Me Too movement has gained immense influence over the last year precisely because it has encouraged us to acknowledge the reality of sexual abuse and follow the truth wherever it leads. Now, the question of whether the accusations against Kavanaugh are true has been subjugated to a political endgame. That promises to destroy the cultural power of the Me Too movement.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/kavanaugh-nomination-circus-could-destroy-me-too-movement/
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Quite possibly just the opposite,these old white fucks push through this guy.
Women will come out in droves to vote in November
 
Phantasmal said:
It got a big shot in the arm today with the Cosby conviction, I think it is just wishful thinking on the part of the National
Review.
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These folks have a disease, they can't help themselves, too arrogant and entitled. Think about who writes for the NR, who reads it, and who it is for. #Metoo is nothing new at all, it is as old as humanity, and the diseased will forever keep the movement alive by their own actions.
 
Darth Omar said:
What about those women who don’t want the theirs sons, brothers and fathers defamed by claims that can’t be disproven?
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My sons, brothers and father have never even been accused and I would be the first one demanding a full investigation to prove their innocence if it had been them. They would also want to go to jail rather than face me if they are guilty.
 
Stretch said:
DiFi said today that SHE'S not sure if Ford will appear.
Scamenatti said that HIS witness Ramirez is not coming.

Not that DiFi or Scamenatti are worthy of being believed, but that's all we have to go on right now.
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Is Rameriez his client? Ramirez wasn’t asked to appear before the Committee as far as I know. Where did read/ hear this?
 
Darth Omar said:
I saw where Ford’s democrat lawyers didn’t want republicans to field a female sex crimes prosecutor during the hearing.

I can’t think of a good reason not to. This isn’t just a question of the allegations against Kavanaugh; Kavanaugh has a right know if the allegations made against him are made in good faith.

If Ford was really assaulted by Kavanaugh her lawyers should welcome an expert witness.
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Wouldn't a sex crime prosecutor be better prepared to either support Ford's accusation as creditable or to expose it as false?

Why don't they want her to have the opportunity to use her experience to prove what is true and what is not?
 
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