Looks like we're seeing now why Putin wanted Trump in the WH so badly.....

ExpressLane said:
If Europe and the US stop buying their oil the rest of the world will still buy it. Oil is fungible.
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Oh look, both Dookie and his fellow JPP TrumPutin cock holster ExpressLame have learned the same new fancy-schmancy bullshit word which they mistakenly believe makes them sound like they know what they're talking about.

Other oil producing countries can simply ratchet up their production, increase the amount of oil on the world market which will drive down the price of Russian oil which already has the highest production cost of any oil producing country in the world.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019...-most-expensive-world-saudi-aramco-ipo-a68132

So much for your latest hare-brained TrumPutin apologist theory.
 
ExpressLane said:
He kept Biden trying to negotiate while he kept moving all the invasion pieces in place. Now Biden is trying to play a catchup game.
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So, Biden should have just struck first w/ the military....and asked questions later?

You guys are spinning so fast you don't even know what to argue anymore. Biden is playing this as well as a leader can.
 
Nomad said:
At a much greater cost, a much greater level of difficulty and a much greater level of opposition from the US and our allies.

Putin would have loved to have had it as easy as Trump would have made it for him.
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My opinion, Obama was not as tough on Putin as he should have been. Biden has decided to take a tougher approach and bring together a unified NATO.
 
ExpressLane said:
Yes he was a "genius" realizing he couldn't get away with this with Trump. So he waited for bungling Biden to try it.
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Spin on top of spin.

That's quite a feat.

You guys will never admit it - but most are grateful that we have a competent leader in the WH for a situation like this, who understands that Putin is an adversary, and who has effectively marshalled NATO and allies together to ensure that if Putin does invade, there will be severe ramifications for his country.

That's essentially how it's done.
 
Damocles said:
Trump had sanctions on Russia, these were removed. This allowed them to begin building the pipeline and to invade.

This thread simply ignores facts and spouts nonsense. I may not like Trump, but I know that this thread is not only speculative, it is simply fictional. This didn't happen when Trump was in office because Trump had taken a hard line with Russia and didn't "blink" so to speak.
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Another FOS Trumpsucker ^^^^


Kayleigh McEnany: “President Trump sanctioned Russia. President Biden gave them a pipeline.”

PolitiFact's ruling: Mostly False

Here's why: Russia’s threat of a Ukraine invasion has brought heightened attention to a big infrastructure project: the Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline.

The roughly 750-mile undersea pipeline would carry Russian natural gas to Germany, which is phasing out its use of coal and nuclear energy. The pipeline was completed in September 2021 but is not yet operational, pending German regulatory approval.

Many of Germany’s allies in the West, including the United States and the United Kingdom, expressed concerns about the pipeline’s construction when it was announced in 2015, warning that it could hand Russia geopolitical leverage over Germany and other European nations.


"President Trump sanctioned Russia. President Biden gave them a pipeline. And here we are," McEnany said in the post.

McEnany’s dichotomy is exaggerated, experts told PolitiFact. The first part of her statement has some validity but ignores that both presidents have sanctioned Russia, without stopping the project. The second part is flat wrong.

Trump’s Russia policies

McEnany has a point that Trump did continue existing sanctions against Russia, in addition to imposing some new ones.

Trump continued many of the policies toward Russia that had begun under his predecessor, President Barack Obama, particularly after Russia annexed the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014.

For instance, Trump kept in place the Magnitsky Act, which targeted high-ranking Russians with sanctions. His administration also put new sanctions on five Russians and Chechens over human rights abuses, and it approved lethal arms sales to Ukraine, which Obama had not.

How do Biden’s Russia policies compare with Trump’s?

For the most part, Biden has continued the sanctions imposed by his predecessors and added new ones.

https://www.statesman.com/story/new...k-did-trump-biden-sanction-russia/6735826001/
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:palm:
 
ExpressLane said:
Yes he was a "genius" realizing he couldn't get away with this with Trump. So he waited for bungling Biden to try it.
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Again, Trump was doing his bidding, Trump was trying to weaken NATO and there was no threat under Trump that Ukraine would join NATO. Putin is also causing a rise in oil prices which he’s going to need to keep his presence on the Ukrainian border. This also isn’t working out the way he thought it would, Biden, the EU and NATO are coming in tougher than 2014, and it will only get worse for Russia.
 
Nomad said:
https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...rump-in-the-WH-so-badly&p=4968644#post4968644
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OK shit for brains. If the US refuses to buy X barrels of oil from Russia but buys X amount of oil from Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia does not increase production that oil it taken from other would be buyers go to Russia and buy oil. The World produces 97,103,871 barrels of oil a day of that Russia produces 10.1 million barrels per day [11%]. So the world can't do without Putin's oil and he knows it.
 
Nomad said:
That may be true Re: Obama, but a lot of the sanctions the JPP Trumpsuckers are giving Trump credit for, were just continuations of Obama's sanctions.

https://www.statesman.com/story/new...k-did-trump-biden-sanction-russia/6735826001/
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Yes, Obama eventually smacked him, but he should have come in tougher from the beginning. It’s one of Biden’s big regrets. I think it is why he’s doing things different. He didn’t always agree with Obama on foreign policy, but Obama was the President.
 
ExpressLane said:
OK shit for brains. If the US refuses to buy X barrels of oil from Russia but buys X amount of oil from Saudi Arabia but Saudi Arabia does not increase production that oil it taken from other would be buyers go to Russia and buy oil. The World produces 97,103,871 barrels of oil a day of that Russia produces 10.1 million barrels per day [11%]. So the world can't do without Putin's oil and he knows it.
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But if they DO......

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Saudi Arabia and the US are strategic allies.

If they want to keep on buying our superior US weapons, they'll side with us.

Shit for brains.... :palm:
 
Phantasmal said:
Again, Trump was doing his bidding, Trump was trying to weaken NATO and there was no threat under Trump that Ukraine would join NATO. Putin is also causing a rise in oil prices which he’s going to need to keep his presence on the Ukrainian border. This also isn’t working out the way he thought it would, Biden, the EU and NATO are coming in tougher than 2014, and it will only get worse for Russia.
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Um oil prices were LOW under Trump. The US produced all oil and gas we needed under Trump. The US wasn't using the same oil and gas the rest of the world needed under Trump.


Strange??? Stoneberg loves Trump and his polices. I think you are lying again.

Trump is having an impact': NATO head credits president's tough talk for $100B boost

President Donald Trump "is committed to NATO" and deserves credit in obtaining $100 billion more in defense spending for the alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, the secretary general of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said Sunday.

"President Trump has been very clear: He is committed to NATO. He stated that clearly just a few days ago and also at the NATO summit in July," Stoltenberg said on "
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Nomad said:
But if they DO......

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Saudi Arabia and the US are strategic allies.

If they want to keep on buying our superior US weapons, they'll side with us.

Shit for brains.... :palm:
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Saudi can't increase enough to produce the shortfall if no one buys Russian oil.:palm:
 
Nomad said:
Not for long, idiot.

Google Nord Stream 2.

Dumbass.

Natural gas income going bye-bye.
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OBAMA:" THE 80's CALLED , AND WANTS ITS FOREIGN POLICY BACK" TO ROMNEY, WHEN ROMNEY CITED RUSSIA AS OUR ENEMY.



I SEE YOU'RE AS IGNORANT OF THE FACTS AS ALWAYS.



TRUMP HAD ALREADY PUT THE KIBOSH ON THAT PIPELINE.....WHICH THE MORON, BIDEN,. UNDID ALMOST IMMEDIATELY UPON TAKING OFFICE.

PRES.MORON IS NOW REIINSTATING WHAT TRUMP HAD ALREADY DONE....AND WHAT HE HIMSELF HAD STOPPED.


FUCKING IDIOT.


TRUMP ALSO KILLED HUNDREDS OF RUSSIANS IN SYRIA WHEN THEY FUCKED WITH OUR TROOPS THERE, AS OPPOSED TO THE OBAMA/BIDEN "REDLINE IN THE SAND" DEBACLE.


DO I NEED TO MENTION OBAMA/BIDEN HANDING PUTNI YELLOWCAKE URANIUM ,AS WELL, WHICH WAS THEN ILLEGALLY EXPORTED TO PARTS UNKNOWN???


PRETTY CLEAR WHO PUTIN'S BITCH(es) ARE, AND WHO HE FEARS.
 
Nomad said:
Oh look, both Dookie and his fellow JPP TrumPutin cock holster ExpressLame have learned the same new fancy-schmancy bullshit word which they mistakenly believe makes them sound like they know what they're talking about.

Other oil producing countries can simply ratchet up their production, increase the amount of oil on the world market which will drive down the price of Russian oil which already has the highest production cost of any oil producing country in the world.
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like what countries? OPEC told Biden nyet
 
Primavera said:
What about the inevitable ethnic cleansing that has or will happen soon enough?
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dukkha said:
man I dont know the tribal thing over there, but are you saying the separatists and ..others.. are incapable of living in a Russian secured republic?
Because Putin isn't moving out anytime soon. He's expanded Russian "buffer" and keeps his military there
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Primavera said:
yes!
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well then it's bound to happen with or without Russian occupation.. certainly Kyiv cant keep a lid on LDNR ethnic cleansing
 
BartenderElite said:
So, Biden should have just struck first w/ the military....and asked questions later?

You guys are spinning so fast you don't even know what to argue anymore. Biden is playing this as well as a leader can.
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Biden should have taken Putin's redlines seriously.
I dont know if it would have stopped the recognition -but not doing so ( and his minor incursion prattle)
pretty much left Putin with no other options
 
BartenderElite said:
Spin on top of spin.

That's quite a feat.

You guys will never admit it - but most are grateful that we have a competent leader in the WH for a situation like this, who understands that Putin is an adversary, and who has effectively marshalled NATO and allies together to ensure that if Putin does invade, there will be severe ramifications for his country.

That's essentially how it's done.
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That is why his approval rating is around 40% :laugh:
 
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