Matt Dillon
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The US was built with self-reliance, not a big government welfare state.
Welfare only really started with LBJ.
"Our country is full"
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The US was built with self-reliance, not a big government welfare state.
Welfare only really started with LBJ.
People that are here, are HERE. I have no problem with keeping them here. From this point on, we need to put out a 'No Vacancy' sign.
You define "brothers and sisters" as American and not as human?
You're a complete pile of shit, Jack.
You are not my brother. I care about you as a living, breathing human being and I want the best for you, but learn how to use words properly. I don't know what you have against Bangladeshis (I'll bet a hundred dollars it's the color of their skin), but they have nothing to do with your chaotic, rambling incoherence.
I don't disagree with any of that, but I do absolutely dismiss the notion that there is an immigrant crisis in the US, that immigrants are primarily motivated by sinister motives, and that the country is "full".
Well, if they're illegally here, then giving them amnesty sets a precedent. You'll notice the legal precedents that people like Diesel mention. These often determine how future policies are shaped and interpreted.
For example, when Reagan made the mistake of expanding amnesty to many illegal immigrants in the 80s, the precedent set by those policies was used as part of the basis for future amnesty proposals and certain court rulings.
The same is true when we sign onto international agreements that have a certain amount of legal binding involved. Diesel had brought up the Geneva Conventions which can apply to asylum policies.
If you really want to limit illegal entries in the future, changes have to be made legislatively to make things stricter regarding immigration policy, which sometimes involves deportation. While it isn't likely to happen, withdrawing from part of the Geneva Conventions might give us more legal leeway as well. The 4th one is the one that applies to asylum policies, if I'm not mistaken. We could probably keep the other 3 without any conflicts in policy.
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There are not too many people. There were not too few jobs before the pandemic threatened the global, national, and local economies. By the way, Trump has done and continues to do everything in his power to prolong and worsen the pandemic. Does it register with you that you're a brainwashed asshole who can't keep track of his own argument for two posts in a row?
I would agree that there isn't an immigrant crisis either, which is why I don't have a problem with limiting immigration further. The argument for more immigration is based on the assumption that the instability and suffering of Central America is somehow our responsibility to resolve, but I disagree. The best thing we can do for Central America is to stop meddling with their governments and simply trade with them. As for their refugees, we should make the necessary legal changes to ensure that we have full discretion over who we allow in, and that no international bodies have any say over it.
This probably won't happen, of course, because the elite do enjoy easy access to cheap labor.
I don't believe that most immigrants have sinister motives, but I do believe that most elite who support loose immigration policies have them.
Every time I hear some old, poor Trump ass-eater say that I'm an elitist I send another donation to my local public school district and Joe Biden's campaign.
cawacko
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Considering Jack is a Biden supporting liberal you’ve just incentivized him to keep this thread going for a few hundred more posts.
I believe that's the fourth time you've referred to my ass. You don't have to stay in the closet, Jack. This is America. Traitors like us gave you the right to be your best self while you did your very best (and failed) to silence women and minorities.
Biden is an elitist though. He throws the progressive left a few bones here and there, but his long history in Congress shows who he really supports.
Yeah, I don't agree with that either. As soon as a person identifies primarily as the citizen of a country and not as a member of her local community and as a member of the human race, then I identify indoctrination for what it is and what is has done.
The Geneva Conventions had nothing to do with cheap labor. They were a response to the global refugee calamity of the Second World War. Now, 69 years later, people with no understanding of history and no appreciation for international relations like to pretend that the globalized context was a machination to undercut the average American Joe. It's an intellectually vacant position. Elitists have motivations to cultivate cheap labor, but elitists are not necessarily partisan. They'll eat from whatever hand feeds them.
Strange. So he's just a schizophrenic as well?
I only log on once or twice a week. It won't concern me one way or another how many more times he posts.
Biden wasn't in my top five during the primaries. I am not a Biden fan.
I have a choice this election between him and Trump. Case closed.
I didn't say that the Geneva Conventions had to do with cheap labor. I'm saying the modern push for mass amnesty and accelerated asylum processes are. And it's not just an American thing. There are NGOs that currently expedite the movement of people from the Third World into Europe, for example. Similar groups have paid for the movement of caravans in Latin America.
These NGOs often have one world government true believers, and their funding sources are often at least partially corporate -- usually from industries that utilize the potential labor.
Even beyond this, there is a trade involving illegal immigration where recruiters from agricultural companies like Tyson and Perdue will lure immigrants from Central America with false promises of citizenship in exchange for their work.
Jack supports Bernie. But will Vote for Biden.
Sure. But how do you get from there to suggesting that amnesty needs to be more tightly regulated?
cawacko
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I don’t find it all that shocking that there are older white blue collar liberals that aren’t big on immigration. They may not be the majority but they exist.