"Our country is full"

Old Trapper said:
I'm really not surprised at your self centered attitude, however, do you have a f**king clue as to how much vacant land we have in this country? Or how much of it is farmable? How much food is wasted every year?

But I would rather feed those in need then to give to the wealthy each year as you would.
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Good. Go somewhere else and do that. But ...
DON"T tell them to OVERBREED and that when it gets TOO CROWDED in their Country, they can always come HERE.
 
Diesel said:
Crowded? Where do you live? NYC is crowded, but it's also among the highest performing cities on the planet. The vast majority of the US is not densely populated.
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ButtBoy. Have you ever driven on the Freeway? Have you ever tried to find a Parking Spot at the Beach? Taken your kids to DisneyLand?
 
Woko Haram said:
I'm not a Christian myself, but since I was raised with the religion, I understand its principles. Nothing in the Bible suggests that a nation take in all those in need.
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Try reading the Bible:

III. WE BELIEVE how we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick, and the prisoner is how we treat Christ himself. (Matthew 25: 31-46) “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.” God calls us to protect and seek justice for those who are poor and vulnerable, and our treatment of people who are “oppressed,” “strangers,” “outsiders,” or otherwise considered “marginal” is a test of our relationship to God, who made us all equal in divine dignity and love. Our proclamation of the lordship of Jesus Christ is at stake in our solidarity with the most vulnerable. If our gospel is not “good news to the poor,” it is not the gospel of Jesus Christ (Luke 4:18).

THEREFORE, WE REJECT the language and policies of political leaders who would debase and abandon the most vulnerable children of God. We strongly deplore the growing attacks on immigrants and refugees, who are being made into cultural and political targets, and we need to remind our churches that God makes the treatment of the “strangers” among us a test of faith (Leviticus 19:33-34). We won’t accept the neglect of the well-being of low-income families and children, and we will resist repeated attempts to deny health care to those who most need it. We confess our growing national sin of putting the rich over the poor. We reject the immoral logic of cutting services and programs for the poor while cutting taxes for the rich. Budgets are moral documents. We commit ourselves to opposing and reversing those policies and finding solutions that reflect the wisdom of people from different political parties and philosophies to seek the common good. Protecting the poor is a central commitment of Christian discipleship, to which 2,000 verses in the Bible attest.

There's a nuance to the story of the good Samaritan that is often missed by both Christians and secular humanists. The message isn't that you should love all your neighbors -- it's that you should love only the neighbors who are fundamentally good in heart.
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No such thing.

There are numerous bad people out there. Some of them are refugees. There are plenty of examples of Sudanese refugees that have come here and committed violent crimes. There are plenty of people who have come to the West but were raised as child soldiers and have a twisted mindset as a result. Because we can't assume that all who seek asylum are good of heart, we have a vested interest in detaining and screening those who arrive.
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No one has said they should not be investigated. However, that is not what is happening.

Also, if you've been following a lot of what has happened at the border in recent years, many human traffickers come to the border with children and pose as parents. If they successfully enter the country without having the children separated from them, the children are then sold into slavery or worse. So detainment and screening is actually a crucial part of protecting child asylum seekers.
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Less then 1%. On the other hand, the trump administration has separated far more then that.
 
Jack said:
ButtBoy. Have you ever driven on the Freeway? Have you ever tried to find a Parking Spot at the Beach? Taken your kids to DisneyLand?
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Have you ever gone to a beach in Oregon? How about a lake in Minnesota? Commercial plots will always fill up that is why many suggest getting out of town for a change.
 
Woko Haram said:
The process of recognition requires screening, which usually requires detainment as well.
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and no 'catch and release' either. Biden lied that almost all show up for a court date.
Maybe 50% at best.

Trump instituted REMAIN with Mexico - they stay there while they are getting vetted for asylum claims.
They dont stay in "poverty or cages" either -more Biden lies

I'm all for asylum and legal entry, but not "catch and release" and illegal immigration
Dems want to obscure the differences
 
Immigrants create businesses at a ta faster rate than citizens. They pay taxes and do work you people deign. It is just hate that prevents from America from realizing its potential.
 
Old Trapper said:
Have you ever gone to a beach in Oregon? How about a lake in Minnesota? Commercial plots will always fill up that is why many suggest getting out of town for a change.
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Yes. Why do people MOVE from crowded Cities to the Suburbs? Why do people like Open Spaces? Why do people NOT like living like Rats on top of each other?
Gee. Really tough questions.
 
dukkha said:
and no catch and release either. Biden lied almost all show up for a court date.
Maybe 50% at best.
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"Maybe"? In other words you don't know, and still you say Biden is lying.

Trump instituted REMAIN with Mexico - they stay there while they are getting vetted for asylum claims.
They dont stay in "poverty or cages" either - more Biden lies.
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Again with the lies, and yet you claim it is Biden lying. Do you have a clue as to what the unemployment rate is in Mexico? Do you have any f**king idea where the refugees are living at, or under what conditions? Of course not just like the true braindead toady you are.

I'm all for asylum and legal entry, but not "catch and release" and illegal immigration
Dems want to obscure the differences
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Bull shit.
 
Old Trapper said:
Try reading the Bible:

III. WE BELIEVE how we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick, and the prisoner is how we treat Christ himself. (Matthew 25: 31-46) “Truly I tell you, just as you did it to one of the least of these who are members of my family, you did it to me.” God calls us to protect and seek justice for those who are poor and vulnerable, and our treatment of people who are “oppressed,” “strangers,” “outsiders,” or otherwise considered “marginal” is a test of our relationship to God, who made us all equal in divine dignity and love. Our proclamation of the lordship of Jesus Christ is at stake in our solidarity with the most vulnerable. If our gospel is not “good news to the poor,” it is not the gospel of Jesus Christ (Luke 4:18).
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So, I have to ask a few questions on this one. How broadly are we defining a valid asylum claim? A lot of the world is in a pretty bad state, at least compared to the First World. One could argue that the majorities of the populations in much of Central America and Africa could reasonably make a claim in favor of relocating here for a better life. If we accepted all those who would like to come here who did not carry a highly contagious disease and did not have a criminal record, you'd be looking at dozens of millions of people. What would you consider a reasonable limit to entry? Is there a valid numerical limit in your opinion, or is the limit based on something else?

Old Trapper said:
THEREFORE, WE REJECT the language and policies of political leaders who would debase and abandon the most vulnerable children of God. We strongly deplore the growing attacks on immigrants and refugees, who are being made into cultural and political targets, and we need to remind our churches that God makes the treatment of the “strangers” among us a test of faith (Leviticus 19:33-34). We won’t accept the neglect of the well-being of low-income families and children, and we will resist repeated attempts to deny health care to those who most need it. We confess our growing national sin of putting the rich over the poor. We reject the immoral logic of cutting services and programs for the poor while cutting taxes for the rich. Budgets are moral documents. We commit ourselves to opposing and reversing those policies and finding solutions that reflect the wisdom of people from different political parties and philosophies to seek the common good. Protecting the poor is a central commitment of Christian discipleship, to which 2,000 verses in the Bible attest.
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It sounds like this is a far cry from the left that used to shun "legislating morality." If you're claiming that spending for the poor is a moral duty, why not apply morality to other facets of policy? Is it moral to have policies that encourage having children out of wedlock? Is it moral to have a society that is blasé about sleeping around?

Old Trapper said:
No such thing.
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So you think Jesus wasted his time with helping those who had no desire to repent? It's one thing to forgive those who seek forgiveness, but you can't exactly forgive those who kill and maim with no remorse.

Old Trapper said:
No one has said they should not be investigated. However, that is not what is happening.
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What is "not happening" is the concentration camp hyperbole your side rambles about.

Old Trapper said:
Less then 1%. On the other hand, the trump administration has separated far more then that.
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...because it's more than "1%". Granted, because of the nature of the industry, it's hard to gauge what the actual rate is, like any other illegal activity. We can only go by the cases we catch.

It's no different from the gap between the recorded rape rate and the actual rape rate. We know the former but can only infer the latter.
 
Nordberg said:
Immigrants create businesses at a ta faster rate than citizens. They pay taxes and do work you people deign. It is just hate that prevents from America from realizing its potential.
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Depends on the immigrant, although some of this is related to government loans that only immigrants have access to. Also, immigrants are quite diverse. Some groups are far more industrious than others.
 
Old Trapper said:
Then I am sure you can prove otherwise, and quit bull shitting the forum:

https://www.passblue.com/2020/08/26...a-crisis-created-by-the-trump-administration/
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Blaming Trump for holding Mexico more accountable is like blaming a landlord for evicting a drug dealer.

People can always go to Canada if we won't let them in. Brazil is another option.

But this does go back to an important point. Signing onto international agreements often puts national interests below globalist ones. We should withdraw from many of the asylum related agreements, so that we can have a policy more suited to our economic needs.

Australia has an immigration policy that is far more economically driven than ours, and few people call them racist over it.
 
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