Trump J/6 indictment document

[Into the Night]

Nothing unconstitutional about it.

Blatant lie.

As a matter of fact many republicans said it was the most secure election in history.

Blatant lie.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Is it bad that I get an erection every time I insult another poster's religion

probably......

 

[Into the Night]

No it did not.

Yes it did. You cannot make the evidence of election fraud by Democrats just disappear, ya dumb dog.

 

[Flash]

none.....some pled guilty to it to get a reduced sentence for assault.......none were convicted of it.......cope....

If a person pleads guilty he is convicted.

 

[Althea]

We are allowed to contest an election legally; for example, filing the lawsuits and entering objections during the counting of electors.

But, when we submit false electors, try to pressure the VP to violate his constitutional duties, urge state officials to "find" votes, and conspire to overturn the election, it becomes illegal. That is especially true when Trump knew he lost and all the claims of fraud had no evidence. He was told that by family, staff, and administration. He lost most of the court cases because they presented no evidence.

If Trump's supporters did not believe his lies January 6 would never have happened.

Smith, in his infinite wisdom, immediately references trump's right to speak publicly about the election, and to pursue the avenues that you document above.

Which decimates all of Fox Noise's claims about Biden taking away trump's right to free speech.

And removes trump's number one defense tactic.

 

[Althea]

You mad BRO?

Sorry, but your comments were too stupid to reply to!

Or read.

 

[Althea]

Looks like Trump is gonna' need that Soap-On-A-Rope after all!

I bet Melania is going to have fun while Donnie is in Jail!

This is her big chance to RUN TO THE HILLS AND HIDE- her and her handsome young Secret Service guys!

She's going North

 

[Flash]

Smith, in his infinite wisdom, immediately references trump's right to speak publicly about the election, and to pursue the avenues that you document above.

Which decimates all of Fox Noise's claims about Biden taking away trump's right to free speech.

And removes trump's number one defense tactic.

As Bob Barr said, all conspiracies involve speech. But speech does not allow a person to conspire to commit crimes.

 

[Althea]

Trump was NOT charged with Insurrection or Seditious Conspiracy

This means that despite the very serious headaches this indictment will cause during the campaign, he will not be prohibited from being President under the Constitution

Not to worry. The American public will take care of that by 10 million votes this time.

 

[Althea]

Yet, they had to get this out there TODAY. The Biden bribery story was catching fire. These charges were needed now and it will spike the bribery story because it gives the MSM the excuse they need.

There is no bribery story. Comer released the transcripts that prove there was nothing there.

 

[Althea]

It was a complex investigation and indicting a President requires dotting one's "I's" and crossing the "T's".

trump left office in disgrace as thousands of people were dying. His team refused to brief the Biden admin during the lame duck, so there was plenty of focus on.

And I seem to remember an impeachment thingy going on as well.

One where Republican senators refused to find him guilty, but admitted that he was criminally responsible for the actions on Jan. 6.

 

[Into the Night]

They were all addressed and answered in the indictment.

Blatant lie.

They were done so by republicans who supported Trump but would simply not lie for him. The right doesn't care, they want to stick their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la-la because they actually know trump is a lying criminal, they simply refuse to believe it.

Inversion fallacy. What crime?

1. The lie that fraud changed the outcome of the 2020 election, that Trump “had actually won,” and that the election was “stolen.” (Pages 1 and 40-41 of the indictment)

The election was stolen. There was no 2020 election. Trump would likely have won it, if the election hadn't faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

2. The lie that fake pro-Trump Electoral College electors in seven states were legitimate electors. (Pages 5 and 26)

No such thing as 'fake electors'. The seven States in question never chose any electors.

3. The lie that the Justice Department had identified significant concerns that may have affected the outcome of the election. (Pages 6 and 27)

Considering all the election fraud by Democrats and the faulting of the 2020 election, I would say the outcome was affected.

4. The lie that Pence had the power to reject Biden’s electoral votes. (Pages 6, 32-38)

There were no 'Biden electoral votes' from at least seven States. There were not electoral votes at all. Pence does NOT have authority to choose the electors for any State.

5. The lie that “the Vice President and I are in total agreement that the Vice President has the power to act.” (Page 36)

Pence had the power to act. Instead he chose to violate the Constitution of the United States.

6. The lie that Georgia had thousands of ballots cast in the names of dead people. (Pages 8 and 16)

It did.

7. The lie that Pennsylvania had 205,000 more votes than voters. (Pages 8 and 20)

Word stuffing. No such statement was ever made. Pennsylvania had more registered voters than those of voting age. Like many other counties and districts.

The indictment notes that Trump’s acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen and acting deputy attorney general Richard Donoghue had both told him that this claim was false, but he kept making it anyway – including in the January 6 rally speech.

Word stuffing. He never said it.

8. The lie that there had been a suspicious “dump” of votes in Detroit, Michigan. (Pages 9 and 17)

Not a lie. A mathematical improbability. This 'dump' took place when election offices were closed, and NO OBSERVERS PRESENT. You are also continuing to ignore the affidavits, filed testifying the fraud that occurred in these offices at that time.

The indictment notes that Barr, the attorney general, told Trump on December 1, 2020 that this was false – as CNN and others had noted, supposedly nefarious “dumps” Trump kept talking about were merely ballots being counted and added to the public totals as normal – but that Trump still repeated the false claim in public remarks the next day. And Barr wasn’t the only one to try to dissuade Trump from this claim. The indictment also notes that Michigan’s Republican Senate majority leader, Mike Shirkey, had told Trump in an Oval Office meeting on November 20, 2020 that Trump had lost the state “not because of fraud” but because Trump had “underperformed with certain voter populations.”

It was not normal. It was ILLEGAL and mathematical improbability that all the votes so 'dumped' were all for Biden.

9. The lie that Nevada had tens of thousands of double votes and other fraud. (Page 9)

It had a significant problem with this. Voters complaining they were told they had already 'voted' when showing up to vote.

10. The lie that more than 30,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona. (Pages 9 and 11)

Not a lie. A good possibility. Arizona had the same kind of election fraud happening in it's election offices.

11. The lie that voting machines in swing states had switched votes from Trump to Biden. (Page 9)

Not a lie. A good possibility. It had already been demonstrated the software has exactly this kind of weakness.

This is a reference to false conspiracy theories about Dominion Voting Systems machines, which Trump kept repeating long after it was thoroughly debunked by his own administration’s election cybersecurity security arm and many others. The indictment says, “The Defendant’s Attorney General, Acting Attorney General, and Acting Deputy Attorney General all had explained to him that this was false, and numerous recounts and audits had confirmed the accuracy of voting machines.”

No debunked. The machines have BIG security problems.

12. The lie that Dominion machines had been involved in “massive election fraud.” (Page 12)

Not a lie. They were.

The indictment notes that Trump, on Twitter, promoted a lawsuit filed by an alleged co-conspirator, whom CNN has identified as lawyer Sidney Powell, that alleged “massive election fraud” involving Dominion – even though, the indictment says, Trump privately acknowledged to advisors that the claims were “unsupported” and told them Powell sounded “crazy.”

Trump never made any such statement. Word stuffing.

13. The lie that “a substantial number of non-citizens, non-residents, and dead people had voted fraudulently in Arizona.” (Page 10)

Not a lie. It happened.

14. The lie that Fulton County, Georgia elections workers had engaged in “ballot stuffing.” (Pages 13 and 14)

Not a lie. It happened.

15. The lie that thousands of out-of-state voters cast ballots in Georgia. (Page 16)

Not a lie. A good possibility. BTW, Georgia never chose any electors.

16. The lie that Raffensperger “was unwilling, or unable,” to address Trump’s claims about a “‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more.” (Page 16)

Not a lie. Raffensperger's continual lying doesn't change this.

17. The lie that there was substantial fraud in Wisconsin and that the state had tens of thousands of unlawful votes. (Page 21)

There was. Not a lie.

18. The lie that Wisconsin had more votes counted than it had actual voters. (Page 21)

The lie YOURS. Many Wisconsin districts had more registered voters than eligible voters in the population.

19. The lie that the election was “corrupt.” (Page 28)

Not a lie. It was. The election faulted due to election fraud by Democrats.

20. The lie that Trump won every state by hundreds of thousands of votes. (Page 34)

The lie is YOURS and Jack Smith's. Trump never made any such claim.

21. The lie that Pennsylvania “want to recertify.” (Page 38)

Trump made this false claim in his January 6 speech. In reality, some Republican state legislators in Pennsylvania had expressed a desire to at least delay the congressional affirmation of Biden’s victory – but the state’s Democratic governor and top elections official, who actually had election certification power in the state, had no desire to recertify Biden’s legitimate win.

The governor of Pennsylvania does NOT have authority to certify a Presidential election or the authority to choose the electors for that State.

Pennsylvania did not choose any electors. Biden didn't win.

 

[Into the Night]

I'm sure that when he is convicted you will just replace the word "indictment" with "conviction" and continue with your bullshit while your fuhrer sits in a cell. Everyone here knows you are a brainwashed ignorant shithead.

There it is again...Godwin's law.
Trump is not a 'fuhrer'. There is no crime. You don't get to speak for everyone. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

He will tell us in 2024 that if he loses it was because it was rigged--like he did twice before.

2024 is already rigged, and the election hasn't even started yet!
But will it be enough to keep Trump from being President?

 

[Into the Night]

You, like many on JPP, are old and near death's door. You have a choice; be the Christian you claim to be or lie, cheat and steal like you'd done most of your life.

Your choice, Pmp. God gave us Free Agency for a reason.

You are not God, Sock. Omniscience fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

If a person pleads guilty he is convicted.

Semantics fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Smith, in his infinite wisdom, immediately references trump's right to speak publicly about the election, and to pursue the avenues that you document above.

Which decimates all of Fox Noise's claims about Biden taking away trump's right to free speech.

And removes trump's number one defense tactic.

Blatant lies.

 

[Into the Night]

As Bob Barr said, all conspiracies involve speech. But speech does not allow a person to conspire to commit crimes.

What crime?

Conspiracies do not require speech. Bob Barr is full of shit.
The Democrat party is a conspiracy.

 

[Into the Night]

Not to worry. The American public will take care of that by 10 million votes this time.

The President is not elected by popular vote.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no bribery story. Comer released the transcripts that prove there was nothing there.

Blatant lies. Attempted proof by void.