Unprecedented, historic corruption:

"I think the prosecution [of Roger Stone] was righteous and I think the sentence that the judge ultimately gave was fair."
-- Attorney General Bill Barr, July 8, 2020
 
There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



I put a thanks to this post but then had to remove it upon reading the last sentence.

You had something going until then.

It's not like corruption was nonexistent before DT. He just took it to a whole new level.
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No, Trump hasn't. The Clinton administration was the most corrupt in modern history, followed by either LBJ or Nixon. Even JFK's was pretty bad with nepotism and whatnot. Reagan had Iran-Contra. Obama had Benghazi and others. By comparison Trump for corruption is pretty tame. On the other hand, he trolls as an asshole like nobody else and that gets many people's hackles up to a point where they go insane with anger at him. But that's what trolls do.
 
christiefan915 said:
Whataboutism.
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No, that post wasn't. The original claim to this thread is that the Stone commutation is the worst abuse of Presidential pardon power in history. I showed one example that clearly, easily, tops what Trump did. I can drag up plenty of others far worse than commuting--not pardoning, just commuting--the sentence of somebody close to the President by the President.

The Marc Rich pardon was pure political quid pro quo on the other hand. Clinton and others took huge bribes in the form of "campaign contributions" and acted immediately and quickly thereafter to pardon Marc Rich. Rich bought the sitting President through a series of bribes. That is far worse than what the OP in this thread claims.
 
Micawber said:
Yes that stunk to high hell, as the criminal was not deserving in any way, but you avoid an important distinction,
there is no evidence Rich was convicted for obstructing justice in an investigation of the person doing the pardoning.

By your metric, nobody should be pardoned, as they are ALL doing time and guilty of felonies.

Sorry, unconvincing digression. I shot your red herring with my speargun of pure concentrated reason!
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The worst abuse of a pardon is when you can buy yourself one because you are rich. That is the sort of insider nepotism and paternalism that went on in in the Middle Ages when Kings and other nobility could buy "indulgences" from the church or the King in the case of lessor nobles. It was buying your way out of a crime no matter how heinous it might be, and on the scale of things perjury is pretty low down it.
 
Into the Night said:
Biden can't drain himself from the swamp. He is part of the swamp. He has been in government some 40 years and has done nothing (except open his mouth from time to time to say something stupid).
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And Trump is unelectable- so what's your solution, beak-brain ?
 
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