Fact -When the Civil War started, Lincoln asked Robert E Lee to lead all Union troops

Guille said:
I don't think that would have been anywhere near as easy as you think.
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The Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama, which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time. There were many that wanted to join the war on the Confederate side, it that happened then I doubt that the Union side would have lasted very long.
 
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Havana Moon said:
Well the Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time.
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Slavery wasn't just about economics it was also social. Getting rid of it wasn't a matter of tossing some money around and modernizing.

British presence in the South would at the very least have galvanized the North and possibly some of the South too. I also don't think France would have wanted the British in the American South either.

The North had far more industry and people than the South. The British could not have brought enough to the table to change the outcome of the war.
 
Text Drivers are Killers said:
So all these attacks on Trump for supposedly defending Robert E. Lee look pretty weak unless the critics also want to attack Lincoln.

The CW was NOT about slavery. The idea is preposterous - more media fake news that's been going on for 150 years . Along with the above fact it's also true that:

1. There were 4 UNION states (ky md de mo) that lincoln let practice slavery throughout the war. 300,000 black slaves combined in those states

2. There were many UNION generals that were slave owners throughout the war. Grant himself owned a slave and his wife owned a bunch of them.
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Yes, the CW was about slavery, and you're still whining about losing.
 
Guille said:
Slavery wasn't just about economics it was also social. Getting rid of it wasn't a matter of tossing some money around and modernizing.

British presence in the South would at the very least have galvanized the North and possibly some of the South too. I also don't think France would have wanted the British in the American South either.

The North had far more industry and people than the South. The British could not have brought enough to the table to change the outcome of the war.
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The Brits had the South by the short and curlies, the price demanded by them would have been industrialisation but an end to slavery. I am sure that they would have loved to build cotton mills in the South and then ship the finished product to the colonies and back to the UK. the same
 
I don't talk to neoconfederate racist dingbats about history, and I could give a shit why Trump is invoking anything....
 
His president (the first Republican) asked him to serve his country, he refused and served the enemy... traitor.
 
Havana Moon said:
The Brits had the South by the short and curlies, the price demanded by them would have been industrialisation but an end to slavery. I am sure that they would have loved to build cotton mills in the South and then ship the finished product to the colonies and back to the UK. the same
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IF the British had offered to pay to modernize and IF they paid through the ass for all of the slaves in the South and IF they also paid to move those former slaves somewhere very far away then MAYBE some Southerners would have considered taking the deal.

OTOH if all of that had happened the North would have had a serious case of the ass, way more than they had in reality, and the French would have gone nut shit on the British too.

Slavery wasn't just about the money, it was a social thing.
 
Guille said:
I'm not saying there isn't a conversation to be had here I just don't want to have it with you because you're about as smart as toe jam. Thanks for your input though.
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Typical dumb righty. That is the extent of your comprehension. Trump made up an absurd conversation that was laughably nutty. Trump matches you in understanding. That means near zero.
 
Havana Moon said:
The Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama, which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time. There were many that wanted to join the war on the Confederate side, it that happened then I doubt that the Union side would have lasted very long.
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Go do your homework and this time try and get the facts correct
 
Guille said:
And he was granted amnesty.

Funny thing about Lee, he didn't want Confederate memorials built. I wonder what he would have thought about all of the fuss over him today.
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He should have been made an example of to the rest of the traitors.Hanged by the neck till dead.
 
Havana Moon said:
They didn't trust the North and I can't really blame them. They were stiffed for taxes to pay for Northern industrialisation and didn't believe their promises. The South should have joined forces with the Brits, used their expertise to industrialise and then freed the slaves.

I wonder how many people know that Karl Marx was an avid supporter of the Union, no doubt seeing an opportunity for revolution.
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The Brits weren't going to join up with treasonous slave owners
 
Havana Moon said:
The Brits already supplied rifles like the P53 Enfield and ships like the British crewed CSS Alabama, which sank 75 Union ships including one warship. They needed cotton for sails, work clothes and the manufacture of guncotton and the South was the greatest grower at that time. There were many that wanted to join the war on the Confederate side, it that happened then I doubt that the Union side would have lasted very long.
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You know nothing about the period
 
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