"Our country is full"

dukkha said:
"maybe" means is a guesstimate -the numbers are allover the place. I've done a lot of research.
It isn't the "1%" Trump claims and it sure isn't the vast majority Biden claims
My best guesstimate in the high side is maybe 50%



You do realize the "caravans" have literally stopped since Trump negotiated REMAIN with Mexico?
They can still come and apply. The caravans were full of sex trafficers,and the people were preyed upon by coyotes

If we had a decent border wall and immigration reform,they could apply in an ORDERLY FASHION
instead of overwhelming the holding facilities and be forced to released into our cities without process.

"braindead toadys" like your self never want to address the problem with illegal and mass immigration
that overwhelm our ability to process
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The "caravans" disappeared the day after the 2018 elections. Pull your head out of your ass.
 
Jack said:
ButtBoy: "What does quality of life have to do with anything"
Jack; It's the entire premise of my argument.

Your own words, "Businesses have an interest in maximizing profits", sums it up pretty nicely. 'Business', 'Corporate America', has an interest in MORE PEOPLE. Conversely, The Worker Drone Class is kept at a subsistent level by importing more competition from Third World Countries. Driving DOWN Wages.

You get to choose.
1. Support the American Working Class.
2. Support Corporate America and the Elites.

YOU ... have been brainwashed into stabbing your fellow Americans in the back under the guise of 'compassion' for some Stranger over in Bangladesh who has contributed nothing to this Country, while your neighbors down the street struggle to reach the American Dream.
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Something is very, very wrong with you.
 
Diesel said:
I assume you read what I wrote since that is necessary for this dialogue to mean anything. I acknowledged that there can be limits on the number of refugees that a society can reasonably accommodate. The US is not Sweden. I understand your analogy, but it is inept.

To your last statement, yes, it does. I encourage you to study international law related to the Geneva Conventions. There is no humanitarian crisis in the US. There is no unmanageable influx of people who need to "assimilate". It's a fabricated problem concocted by cynical political types who are terrified that the lack of a white majority will result in the degradation of their social power and privileges.
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Hold on just a moment. Are you saying that immigrants shouldn't assimilate?
 
Diesel said:
It isn't a matter of grasping. I have grasped every word you've typed. I've shot down everything you've said like a game of Duck Hunt. You have been unable to substantiate your point.
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Ha!
Let's assume the Shareholding Class has enough money to sustain themselves, their children and their grandchildren.
Let's focus on the American Working Class.

Now, let's pretend for a moment that you're an Economic Genius, graduating from a prestigious Ivy League School with years of Academic Experience.
Question:
'Since the American Working Class is facing the 'Outsourcing' of the Industrial Base of America to Asia and the Replacement of Human Labor with Machine Labor through Automation and Robotics, ... is the Smart Move to bring in Foreign Third World Labor (commonly called the 'Saudi Plan') to compete and replace Americans'.

Take your time with this, I know it's complex.
 
Woko Haram said:
Hold on just a moment. Are you saying that immigrants shouldn't assimilate?
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I believe that immigrants should assimilate according to the definition of that word: take in (information, ideas, or culture) and understand fully. I do not believe that immigrants need to mimic their white neighbors in order to "assimilate".
 
Old Trapper said:
Jack said:
Yes. That's true. I see America as a 'Gated Community'. I like the Open Space. I like the Fresh Air. I like the Clean Water. The 'Capitalists' can always afford this, the 'Average Worker Drone' will NOT be able to afford this. They and their families will be condemned to overcrowded shitholes like Calcutta, forever denied what their Parents and Grandparents took for granted.
Calcutta is a city like those that your kind have always created with your denial of the rights of the common man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kolkata



And you are the one who will always insure there is not enough food.
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I'm an American. I support America. I support America First. Thinking about Foreigners and their plight comes way after every American has a Job, a House, and Groceries on the Table.
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Jack said:
Ha!
Let's assume the Shareholding Class has enough money to sustain themselves, their children and their grandchildren.
Let's focus on the American Working Class.

Now, let's pretend for a moment that you're an Economic Genius, graduating from a prestigious Ivy League School with years of Academic Experience.
Question:
'Since the American Working Class is facing the 'Outsourcing' of the Industrial Base of America to Asia and the Replacement of Human Labor with Machine Labor through Automation and Robotics, ... is the Smart Move to bring in Foreign Third World Labor (commonly called the 'Saudi Plan') to compete and replace Americans'.

Take your time with this, I know it's complex.
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Oof. That's a whole load of crazy. Should American blue collar workers be replaced by foreign (you forgot to say cheaper) labor? No. But that doesn't have a thing to do with the US being overcrowded, does it? Every post you make has little or nothing to do with the one that came before it. You're floundering; and it's undignified.
 
Jack said:
I'm an American. I support America. I support America First. Thinking about Foreigners and their plight comes way after every American has a Job, a House, and Groceries on the Table.
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Careful there, Jack. That'll get you labeled as alt-right. It's not acceptable to put America first. Only non-Westerners are allowed to be nationalists.
 
Diesel said:
Oof. That's a whole load of crazy. Should American blue collar workers be replaced by foreign (you forgot to say cheaper) labor? No. But that doesn't have a thing to do with the US being overcrowded, does it? Every post you make has little or nothing to do with the one that came before it. You're floundering; and it's undignified.
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hahaha ...
So, ... you admit you would rather stab your American Brother in the back and replace him with some guy from Bangladesh, ... who you don't know and will never meet.
 
Diesel said:
I believe that immigrants should assimilate according to the definition of that word: take in (information, ideas, or culture) and understand fully. I do not believe that immigrants need to mimic their white neighbors in order to "assimilate".
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That would depend on what you mean by mimic. When I think of assimilation, I mean for them to value the same things as the American mainstream -- as in things like freedom of speech.

One issue that has become prominent in Europe is that some immigrants don't view free speech the same way as the West. Part of the reason why hate speech in European countries has been broadened to include what would otherwise be considered valid criticisms of Islam is to avoid social unrest. There are also implications involving gay rights and women's rights, since a lot of Islamic cultures don't view gays or women the same way as the West.

The cultural differences between Latin America and the mainstream US aren't as stark, but there are still changes in values that come with demographic changes. For example, a more Catholic America will likely view abortion differently from the current America.

Assimilation has historically been a 2-way street, in that immigrants adapt, but society also changes as well. That's not as simple as saying that any concerns in value changes are about preserving privilege.
 
Diesel said:
Oof. That's a whole load of crazy. Should American blue collar workers be replaced by foreign (you forgot to say cheaper) labor? No. But that doesn't have a thing to do with the US being overcrowded, does it? Every post you make has little or nothing to do with the one that came before it. You're floundering; and it's undignified.
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Too many People ... for too Few jobs. Does that register?
 
Diesel said:
Oof. That's a whole load of crazy. Should American blue collar workers be replaced by foreign (you forgot to say cheaper) labor? No. But that doesn't have a thing to do with the US being overcrowded, does it? Every post you make has little or nothing to do with the one that came before it. You're floundering; and it's undignified.
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Here. Listen to this guy. Maybe you will begin to figure out you're a Stooge for Corporate America and the Elite Class.


"Bernie Sanders: "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal":

 
Jack said:
Here. Listen to this guy. Maybe you will begin to figure out you're a Stooge for Corporate America and the Elite Class.


"Bernie Sanders: "Open borders? That's a Koch brothers proposal":

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Bernie changed his tune on that subject. One has to wonder if he was bought as well.
 
Old Trapper said:
So says trump. But is it?

https://www.magzter.com/article/News/Mother-Jones/OUR-COUNTRY-IS-FULL

What happened under trump was not the first time the US turned its back on Central America even though it was the US that caused the crisis. The same was done under Reagan in the 80's. It was the US that created MS13, and then sent them back to Central America. It is the US that continues to arm the cartels that kill innocent children. It is the US that creates the poverty in Central America that drives the persecution.
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Our country is full of shit bag leftists and their illegal alien pals. That is where the real problem festers.
 
Jack said:
Bernie supports the American Working Class while ButtBoy and Trapper are the usual Traitors to the Republic.
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Well, unless he votes against open borders and amnesty policies, that doesn't seem particularly supportive of the working class.
 
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