Blue Wall Continues To Crumble Around Chauvin

Althea said:
There goes the defense's whole case

This should be interesting. The biased judge already denied the jury the knowledge that all involved in Floyd's murder have been fired.

I'll bet the prosecution is going to have to tiptoe around that during direct.
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I heard the chief's testimony.

Has the prosecution gotten to the toxicology report yet?
 
Althea said:
Well, he was fired already. Unless they move a new grand jury out of Staten Island, I don't see him getting indicted.
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There's no statute of limitations on murder. New evidence and public support can mean a new look.
 
Diesel said:
I'll have to look into that some more. It seems to me to be relevant that Chauvin was fired for doing the wrong thing. That doesn't in and of itself make Chauvin guilty of a crime, but it certainly deflates the defense that he can't be liable for killing Floyd because killing Floyd was what he was trained to do.
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I wonder if the judge just felt it would be too prejudicial for that reason? I'm guessing that at least half the jury already knows.
 
Nomad said:
Hard to imagine what they'd feel the could get from him.

And after getting $27 million from the city that would just make them look greedy.

Besides, the man's life is ruined as it is.
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Lawsuits are not always about money. Consider the one against OJ. Do you think the families were just greedy? Or do you think they were looking for justice?
 
Althea said:
So was OJ's. It would be punitive. If he's found guilty, it's moot.
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Agreed. If Chauvin goes to prison for 20 to life, yes, they might not go through the trouble. It certainly wouldn't be for money since Chauvin won't have any after this is over regardless of the results.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
There's no statute of limitations on murder. New evidence and public support can mean a new look.
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One would think, but the article doesn't really mention overt violence in his past. In his case there were multiple cops responsible for the death. As well as EMT who stood around. It's not as blatant as Chauvin.
 
Althea said:
So was OJ's. It would be punitive. If he's found guilty, it's moot.
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OJ had a pretty high future earnings potential though.

The family of Ron Goldman got 90% of the profits from OJ's book.

Derek Chauvin will be lucky if he gets a job as a security guard when all this is over with.

If Floyd's family tries to further punish him after receiving $27 million, they will will just make themselves look bad.

Besides, they'd never collect anything because I don't think they can legally force him to become destitute.
 
jet57 said:
I heard the chief's testimony.

Has the prosecution gotten to the toxicology report yet?
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I recorded a few hours of today's testimony. Haven't gotten to watch it yet. I don't know if the prosecution wants to address that, although they showed a lot of footage of Floyd in the store just before his death. He looked fine.
 
Althea said:
One would think, but the article doesn't really mention overt violence in his past. In his case there were multiple cops responsible for the death. As well as EMT who stood around. It's not as blatant as Chauvin.
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It doesn't matter. It could be his very first murder. Illegal procedures resulting in a homicide. What would they do to you or me for doing such a thing? Why would a cop be different?

Still, the case against Pantaleo is a lot different than Chauvin's. Illegal restraint, yes. Death, yes. Depraved indifference? Big difference.
 
Nomad said:
OJ had a pretty high future earnings potential though.

The family of Ron Goldman got 90% of the profits from OJ's book.

Derek Chauvin will be lucky if he gets a job as a security guard when all this is over with.

If Floyd's family tries to further punish him after receiving $27 million, they will will just make themselves look bad.

Besides, they'd never collect anything because I don't think they can legally force him to become destitute.
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I understand. If he's found not guilty, this will be a way to prove him guilty, a la OJ.

They can donate the money (that would never be collected) to a fund set up in Floyd's name, or another charity. He worked in a shelter, so that would work.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed. If Chauvin goes to prison for 20 to life, yes, they might not go through the trouble. It certainly wouldn't be for money since Chauvin won't have any after this is over regardless of the results.
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The most serious charge Chauvin is facing, carries a sentence of 10¾ to 15 years.

In Minnesota, he'll only serve 2/3 of his sentence in prison and the final third on parole.

So if he gets the minimum sentence, he'd do a little over 7 years before getting parole for almost 3 years.

If he gets the max, he'd do 10 years then get parole for 5 years.

If he gets convicted of one of the lesser charges, he could be out in less than 5 years.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
It doesn't matter. It could be his very first murder. Illegal procedures resulting in a homicide. What would they do to you or me for doing such a thing? Why would a cop be different?

Still, the case against Pantaleo is a lot different than Chauvin's. Illegal restraint, yes. Death, yes. Depraved indifference? Big difference.
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True. I merely brought up the case to show that they couldn't even get a trial for Garner. As you mentioned, the times have changed, but the venue is also very different. Staten Island is pasty white, with a large population of cops.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Lawsuits are not always about money. Consider the one against OJ. Do you think the families were just greedy? Or do you think they were looking for justice?
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Totally different situation.

OJ intentionally hacked up two people with a knife.

Chauvin was a cop arresting a criminal and went too far restraining him.

OJ had fame and earning potential.

Chauvin will be lucky to even make a living.
 
Althea said:
I understand. If he's found not guilty, this will be a way to prove him guilty, a la OJ.

They can donate the money (that would never be collected) to a fund set up in Floyd's name, or another charity. He worked in a shelter, so that would work.
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I dunno.

I wonder if they'd even waste their time.

Any lawyer who took the case would have to go into it either knowing they would never get paid by Chauvin or insist the Floyd family pay up front.
 
Althea said:
I recorded a few hours of today's testimony. Haven't gotten to watch it yet. I don't know if the prosecution wants to address that, although they showed a lot of footage of Floyd in the store just before his death. He looked fine.
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Well, they should address it. It's the only thing that the defense has so they're sure to drag it out as a cause of death even though the ME reports said it was homicide. The prosecution has hit every other point, they should do this one as well. I think that the cop is gonna get stuck on murder 2.
 
Nomad said:
Totally different situation.

OJ intentionally hacked up two people with a knife.

Chauvin was a cop arresting a criminal and went too far restraining him.

OJ had fame and earning potential.

Chauvin will be lucky to even make a living.
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To say the least. Saying "went too far in restraining him" is like saying, "Bonnie and Clyde were shot."


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