Kavanaugh Circus Could Destroy the Me Too Movement

anatta said:
after the hearings (pig circus) and just before a vote is scheduled she decides to realese a months old letter?
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Is that a question? I'm really not following what you're trying to argue here. What do scheduling minutia have to do with the credibility of the underlying claim?

you do know who Deborah Katz is?
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Yes. Why do you ask?

and I saw a Fallon tweet where he is giving strategic advice. Fallon is executive director of 'Demand Justice".]
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So? I'm really struggling to see what you're trying to argue. So you're clear: nobody is trying to argue that there aren't people who are opposed to Kavanaugh or Trump generally who have caught onto this opportunity to try to sway a few Republican senators against Kavanaugh candidacy. Of course there are. But are you trying to suggest this in some way undermines her claims? If so, how?

no. the 65 women were NOT organized by Republicans. they self organized.
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Do you honestly believe that -- that 65 women, most of whom don't even have the same last names they had back then, spontaneously reached out and found each other and organized this whole response basically overnight? Yeah, right. Kavanaugh knew this was a vulnerability and the Republicans facilitated a planned defense.

Going out and beating the bushes means actively looking for accusers
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Yes. Wouldn't they be fools not to do that? They had one shot to figure out if this was an isolated claim against him, or whether there was evidence of an m.o., in the form of multiple similar stories of sexual misconduct from different women. They couldn't sit back and wait for that to bubble up organically with the Republicans in a mad rush to vote before anything more came out. So they actively beat the bushes. And, it turns out, there were two other women alleging the same basic m.o., of a drunken Kavanaugh being involved in sexual assaults of women at parties. Isn't it a good thing the Democrats weren't asleep at the wheel before that little window of time was shut forever? Isn't it good those stories came out before the vote so they can be properly considered?

glad you admit this is all about looking to stop Judge K.
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I didn't admit that. Reread. Let me know which words you're struggling with.

Grassley has bent over backwards to accommodate the politicization
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No. The accuser has bent over backwards to accommodate Grassley's politicization. As a reminder, the accuser wanted to wait until after the FBI investigated, the way that was done with the Hill accusation. Republicans wouldn't let that happen, for purely political reasons. Ford bent over backwards and agreed to testify anyway. She also wanted to confront her attackers in the senate directly, with them having the balls to ask her questions themselves, rather than bringing in a hired gun to do so. For purely political reasons, Grassley insisted on that political buffer between the Republican senators and the ugliness of a witness being badgered about an alleged childhood assault she'd suffered. So, Ford bent over backwards and accommodated that, too, saying she's testify anyway. Grassley tried to put poison pills into this process in hopes that he could keep her from telling her story under oath, but she swallowed those poison pills and will testify. Good for her.
 
Getin the ring said:
the clown show known as the Democrat congress has single handedly destroyed the credibility of real survivors

that's the real shame
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It's funny to hear such arguments from conservatives, given the clown show they've been pushing for decades now with regard to hearsay about Bill Clinton's sex life. For example, they continue to push Juanita Broaddrick's claims against him, despite the fact she swore under oath it never happened. But somehow what threatens the credibility of real survivors isn't when a sexual predator like Trump trumpets self-disproven allegations like Broaddrick's, but rather when a respected professor comes forward to tell a story about a federal judge's alleged behavior, when he's auditioning for a big promotion.
 
Oneuli said:
Is that a question? I'm really not following what you're trying to argue here. What do scheduling minutia have to do with the credibility of the underlying claim?



Yes. Why do you ask?



So? I'm really struggling to see what you're trying to argue. So you're clear: nobody is trying to argue that there aren't people who are opposed to Kavanaugh or Trump generally who have caught onto this opportunity to try to sway a few Republican senators against Kavanaugh candidacy. Of course there are. But are you trying to suggest this in some way undermines her claims? If so, how?



Do you honestly believe that -- that 65 women, most of whom don't even have the same last names they had back then, spontaneously reached out and found each other and organized this whole response basically overnight? Yeah, right. Kavanaugh knew this was a vulnerability and the Republicans facilitated a planned defense.



Yes. Wouldn't they be fools not to do that? They had one shot to figure out if this was an isolated claim against him, or whether there was evidence of an m.o., in the form of multiple similar stories of sexual misconduct from different women. They couldn't sit back and wait for that to bubble up organically with the Republicans in a mad rush to vote before anything more came out. So they actively beat the bushes. And, it turns out, there were two other women alleging the same basic m.o., of a drunken Kavanaugh being involved in sexual assaults of women at parties. Isn't it a good thing the Democrats weren't asleep at the wheel before that little window of time was shut forever? Isn't it good those stories came out before the vote so they can be properly considered?



I didn't admit that. Reread. Let me know which words you're struggling with.



No. The accuser has bent over backwards to accommodate Grassley's politicization. As a reminder, the accuser wanted to wait until after the FBI investigated, the way that was done with the Hill accusation. Republicans wouldn't let that happen, for purely political reasons. Ford bent over backwards and agreed to testify anyway. She also wanted to confront her attackers in the senate directly, with them having the balls to ask her questions themselves, rather than bringing in a hired gun to do so. For purely political reasons, Grassley insisted on that political buffer between the Republican senators and the ugliness of a witness being badgered about an alleged childhood assault she'd suffered. So, Ford bent over backwards and accommodated that, too, saying she's testify anyway. Grassley tried to put poison pills into this process in hopes that he could keep her from telling her story under oath, but she swallowed those poison pills and will testify. Good for her.
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not what I'm saying at all. I said politics is driving ALL of this -not some altruistic motives by the Dems.
"Demand Justice" should have given you a clue. this was all in the cards beforehand.

Respectfully this discussion has reached a dead end. thanks for the conversation
 
Calling it the "Me Too Movement" didn't do it any favors either.

You can take a serious, worthwhile movement and man-hating shrews can fuck it up when the movement would accomplish more without them.

It's like the jive-ass minorities on this forum whose Caucasian-hating prejudices embarrass thoughtful, intelligent African American liberals and weaken the progressive liberal movement in general.
 
anatta said:
seriously? after the hearings (pig circus) and just before a vote is scheduled she decides to realese a months old letter?


you do know who Deborah Katz is?
and I saw a Fallon tweet where he is giving strategic advice. Fallon is executive director of 'Demand Justice".
It's a Democratic organization dedicated to blocking Trump's nominees. ALL NOMIMEES. read a mission statement by Fallon

Demand Justice: Saving courts from Donald Trump
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...rom-donald-trump-editorials-debates/37075645/

no. the 65 women were NOT organized by Republicans. they self organized.
Going out and beating the bushes means actively looking for accusers-politicization.
glad you admit this is all about looking to stop Judge K. since they can't so it any other way...


Grassley has bent over backwards to accommodate the politicization
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3rd world banana republic shithole shit show US Supreme Kangaroo Court.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Calling it the "Me Too Movement" didn't do it any favors either.

You can take a serious, worthwhile movement and man-hating shrews can fuck it up when the movement would accomplish more without them.

It's like the jive-ass minorities on this forum whose Caucasian-hating prejudices embarrass thoughtful, intelligent African American liberals and weaken the progressive liberal movement in general.
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Some people just don't know their place do they.
 
anatta said:
not what I'm saying at all. I said politics is driving ALL of this
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I see no evidence for that. In fact, there's evidence from four separate people, plus her therapist's notes, supporting the idea that Ford's story about Kavanaugh trying to rape her predates his nomination. Yes, there are politics on both side that have sprung up around the allegation. But the allegation itself appears to have non-political origins.

"Demand Justice" should have given you a clue.
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It does. Demanding justice is a good thing, don't you think?
 
Oneuli said:
I see no evidence for that. In fact, there's evidence from four separate people, plus her therapist's notes, supporting the idea that Ford's story about Kavanaugh trying to rape her predates his nomination. Yes, there are politics on both side that have sprung up around the allegation. But the allegation itself appears to have non-political origins.



It does. Demanding justice is a good thing, don't you think?
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Demanding justice threatens the power structure and status quo.
 
Oneuli said:
I see no evidence for that. In fact, there's evidence from four separate people, plus her therapist's notes, supporting the idea that Ford's story about Kavanaugh trying to rape her predates his nomination. Yes, there are politics on both side that have sprung up around the allegation. But the allegation itself appears to have non-political origins.



It does. Demanding justice is a good thing, don't you think?
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good grief. Demand Justice is an Democratic activist group. It's setup to oppose all Trump nominees.
I personally think Ford was used by them. maybe they have symbiotic relationship -but the politics
of all this reeks . Last minute accusations etc.

But you and I have our mindset ,so further discussion isn't getting anywhere we haven't already gone over
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Some people just don't know their place do they.
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Nobody's place should be big enough to have room for being an asshole.
Race and gender are irrelevant in that regard.

If you are an asshole toward people, don't expect them to just take it.
And if you think that people like me are your big enemy, you're every bit the fool that you make yourself out to be.

I support women's rights, minority rights, and all the liberal causes worth supporting,
but I don't take shit from people like you to do it.
 
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It’s all politics.
Who is paying for Ford’s high priced legal team?
How did Ford (a known Trump hater) get hooked up with this DC attorney (another Trump hater). I’m sure Katz isn’t listed in the California yellow pages.
Congress nominated Kavannah for the Court of Appeals. Why didn’t we have this circus show at that time.

Now all the crazies are coming out of the wood work with ridiculous allegations which may make Fords allegations less credible. So far the allegations are suspect. This is simply a means to keep Kavannah off the Supreme Court. This smear campaign may have worked.
 
You KNOW the #me too crowd is on life support now because of this latest babe Sweatback. She went off to college but kept on deliberately returning to these drunken rape parties. Obviously she was not repulsed by this behavior.

Creepy porn lawyer has pushed this fiasco past the tipping point now. He actually is bringing a woman forward who APPROVES of this lifestyle. Not exactly a feminazi type that the left would normally adore. She's the complete antithesis of "empowering women."
 
TTQ64 said:
Please don't deflect answer the question. This is you're discussion..back your shit up.

"What Black racism and it's laws are resulting in millions of white men being locked up in prison".

Be specific, I'll wait.
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Asked answered!FYI don't do the crime if you can't do the time
 
TTQ64 said:
Here's the difference. White supremacy runs this country and they have the power to oppress all others

Blacks don't. Racism is about wealth and power, it's what you don't want to understand.

I can hand you Black bigots all day........but racist??? white folks own that. And, until you all come to terms with that......we will never move forward.

There are plenty of whites who have come to terms with it.........YOU just aren't one of them.
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Your claim that there are no black racist in America is naive!
 
TTQ64 said:
How many white catholic priest who raped little girls and boys are getting a 3-10 year sentence and being labeled a violent sexual predator? Kids aren't consenting adults who willing went to the church and accepted drinks from a wealth man.

I'll wait.
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I agree with this post.
 
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