NASA admits that climate change occurs because of changes in Earth’s solar orbit, and

It is quite often that a scientific theory is proven only to be disproved as more information comes along at a later date. Happens a lot.

The climate alarmists used to tell us the earth was cooling. Now it is warming. None of this is science based fact driven; it is hyperbole driven without any connection to reality and the historic pas

I understand that. That does not alter the fact that he is conflating terminology. Saying there is no such thing as scientific evidence is moronic at best.

I think the AGW fear mongering cult is indeed full of shit. Which is why their fake 'scientists' like to hide their data 'adjustments'. They do so because they know real scientists will then be able to falsify their theories.
 
The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterf...larmists-global-cooling-is-here/#51f0d734dcf5
 
You really need to stop with your nonsense.
His comment made perfect sense to me.

Scientific evidence is evidence that supports a theory/hypothesis.
Science does not make use of supporting evidence. That's what religion does. Science is not religion. Science, instead, makes use of conflicting evidence.

I think you are confusing the terms evidence and proof.
Define "evidence".
Define "proof".

I'm willing to bet that you are the one who doesn't know what those words mean.
 
His comment made perfect sense to me.


Science does not make use of supporting evidence. That's what religion does. Science is not religion. Science, instead, makes use of conflicting evidence.


Define "evidence".
Define "proof".

I'm willing to bet that you are the one who doesn't know what those words mean.

Seriously, where did you two idiots get taught all this nonsense.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Proof: evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

"Science does not make use of supporting evidence"... ROFLMAO
 
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Define "evidence".
Define "proof".
 
You really need to stop with your nonsense. Scientific evidence is evidence that supports a theory/hypothesis. I think you are confusing the terms evidence and proof.
Science does not use supporting evidence at all. A hypothesis stems from an existing theory, not the other way around. An example is the null hypothesis of a theory.

Evidence is simply evidence. There is nothing 'scientific' about any evidence.
 
Science does not use supporting evidence at all. A hypothesis stems from an existing theory, not the other way around. An example is the null hypothesis of a theory.

Evidence is simply evidence. There is nothing 'scientific' about any evidence.

you two are truly fucking idiots. Please tell us what idiot taught you all the nonsense you spew forth daily.
 
I understand that.
No, you don't. Hence I keep needing to correct you.
That does not alter the fact that he is conflating terminology.
No, it is YOU that is doing that. Evidence is simply evidence. There is nothing 'scientific' about any evidence, whether it supports a theory or conflicts with at theory.

Science does not use supporting evidence at all. It only uses conflicting evidence. Literally mountains of supporting evidence mean nothing in the face of a single piece of conflicting evidence.

Saying there is no such thing as scientific evidence is moronic at best.
No, it is conflating terminology, what you accuse me of doing.
I think the AGW fear mongering cult is indeed full of shit.
Not a cult. This is a worldwide fundamentalist style religion.
Which is why their fake 'scientists' like to hide their data 'adjustments'.
They have no data. Statistical math does not allow cooked data. Only raw data is used, and it must be available.
They do so because they know real scientists will then be able to falsify their theories.
They have no falsifiable theories. They don't even have a nonfalsifiable theory. They do have a religion though.

Science isn't scientists, 'real' or 'fake'. It isn't any university degree. It isn't any government organization, scientist, group of scientists, or even people at all.

Science is just a set of falsifiable theories.

Among the theories denied by the Church of Global Warming are the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. This religion also denies statistical, probability, and random number mathematics. It is THEY that are the deniers. They deny science and mathematics, as do their high priests of that religion, the climate 'scientist'.
 
The increase in global temperatures since the late 19th century just reflects the end of the Little Ice Age. The global temperature trends since then have followed not rising CO2 trends but the ocean temperature cycles of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Every 20 to 30 years, the much colder water near the bottom of the oceans cycles up to the top, where it has a slight cooling effect on global temperatures until the sun warms that water. That warmed water then contributes to slightly warmer global temperatures, until the next churning cycle.

Those ocean temperature cycles, and the continued recovery from the Little Ice Age, are primarily why global temperatures rose from 1915 until 1945, when CO2 emissions were much lower than in recent years. The change to a cold ocean temperature cycle, primarily the PDO, is the main reason that global temperatures declined from 1945 until the late 1970s, despite the soaring CO2 emissions during that time from the postwar industrialization spreading across the globe.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterf...larmists-global-cooling-is-here/#51f0d734dcf5

It is not possible to measure either the temperature of the Earth nor it's oceans. We don't have enough thermometers.

The La Nina/El Nino/neutral cycle is the result of the equatorial counter current being cut off by the north and south equatorial currents. Warmer water will move either east or west depending on the flow of the equatorial counter current and how much it's pinched off by the surrounding currents.

Warm water moving west causes El Nino. Warm water moving east causes La Nina. Warm water more or less evenly distributed causes a neutral cycle. The PDO and AMO are not caused by ocean warming or cooling. Just by 'weather' in the ocean.
 
Seriously, where did you two idiots get taught all this nonsense.
The same philosopher that defined science in this way.
Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
And there is nothing 'scientific' about any of it.
Proof: evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
There are no proofs in science. Proofs only exist in closed systems. Evidence does not produce a proof. A belief is not a proof.
"Science does not make use of supporting evidence"... ROFLMAO
Science does not make use of supporting evidence. Only religions do that.
 
you two are truly fucking idiots. Please tell us what idiot taught you all the nonsense you spew forth daily.

I don't spew nonsense. I may fuck, but I'm not an idiot.

A theory can come from anywhere. It can come from counting polar bears or watching an episode of Sponge Bob. It can even come as a dream while you sleep (Alfred Nobel would set an alarm to wake himself at night to write in his notebook his own dreams).

A theory is an explanatory argument. All theories begin as circular arguments. A circular argument is simply one that uses its own conclusion as a predicate. By itself this is not a fallacy. The other name for the circular argument is called 'faith'.

What takes a theory beyond the simple circular argument and into the realm of science is the test of falsifiability. The theory must have a null hypothesis (the question, "How can I destroy this theory?"). The test must be available, must be practical to conduct, must be specific, and must produce a specific result. As long as a theory can survive such tests, it is automatically part of the body of science. It will remain so until the theory is falsified (a test for the null hypothesis is successful).

Nonscientific theories have no such test. The remain as they started, circular arguments (or arguments of faith), forever.

Examples of theories of science that were later falsified include the Theory of the Geocentric Universe, the Theory of the Heliocentric Universe, the Theory of Absolute Speed, and the Theory of the Luminiferous Aether. Galileo falsified the Theory of the Geocentric Universe. Newton falsified the Theory of the Heliocentric Universe. Einstein falsifed the Theory of Absolute Speed. Michaelson and Morley falsified the Theory of the Luminiferous Aether. Other theories have come and gone in science in this way.

Theories that remain unfalsified include the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law, all of which are simply denied by members of the Church of Global Warming.

Examples of nonscientific theories include the Theory of Evolution, the Theory of Creation, the Theory of Abiogenesis, the Theory of the Big Bang, and the Theory of the Continuum. These are religions, best defined as some initial circular argument with arguments extending from it. Since one cannot test any theory about some past unobserved event without going back in time to see what actually happened, the test of falsification is not available. Proxies are useless as data because they depend on leaping to a conclusion. They are not used in science.

The Church of Global Warming is simply a circular argument, that the Earth is warming. All other arguments extend from that initial circular argument. Since 'warming' itself is not defined, and since it is not possible to measure the temperature of the Earth, this can only result in a circular argument at best. Neither 'global warming' nor 'climate change' are defined, yet it is possible to have a religion based upon these phrases.

Attempting to prove a circular argument or to use one in a proof is the Circular Argument fallacy. This is what a fundamentalist does. This is what makes the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green fundamentalist style religions. Both of these religions stem from the Church of Karl Marx, and are used as a method to further the socialist cause.

Climate cannot be a science because science is a set of falsifiable theories. That test against the theory must be specific and produce a specific result. Climate is not quantifiable, and therefore no specific test is available. Climate is a subjective term, describing types of weather, such as desert climate, tropical climate, marine climate, mountain climate, etc. A desert may disappear or a new desert may appear, but that does not change 'desert climate'. It still means the same thing. There is no global climate. Earth is made of many climates.

The term 'warming' has problems of it's own. From when to when? This necessarily describes two points in time. Why are those two points significant? Why are any other two points NOT significant? Such a statement presumes you have absolute measurements taken at these two points in time.

It is not possible to measure the temperature of Earth. Temperature on the surface alone can vary by as much as 20 deg F per mile. That is not particularly unusual. To produce a global temperature, you must use statistical math. This branch of mathematics requires the use of raw data. That data must be unbiased (or you get a meaningless result), and uncooked (or you get a meaningless result since an analysis hasn't been run yet!). For temperature, time is significant. Storms move, the Earth spins, the weather and atmosphere are in constant motion. The biasing influence of time MUST be removed. Readings MUST be taken simultaneously by the same authority.

Location grouping is a also significant. Putting 100 thermometers in a city or on a roadway tells you nothing about a temperature away from cities and roads. Averaging them as 100 thermometers biases the result, making it useless. Thermometers MUST be uniformly spaced to eliminate this biasing influence. You cannot cook the data to compensate because that would presuppose you have already run an analysis, which you haven't. Cooked data is useless. Raw data MUST be used.

Statistical mathematics and probability mathematics make use of random numbers. These are imported from another mathematics Domain. Their use removes the inherent predictive nature of mathematics. Thus, statistical mathematics is incapable of prediction. It can only summarize the past or present data.

Another requirement of a statistical analysis is the calculate of the margin of error. This stems from the possible range of data (for something like temperature, the temperature gradient), and not the data itself. I have personally seen gradients as steep as 20 deg F on a fairly regular basis. These can happen across weather fronts, due to a compression wave from a nearby mountain range, varying degrees of cloud cover, or even an eclipse of the Sun. The Earth has 197 million square miles of surface. NASA is using approx 75000 thermometers, all of which are located in cities or on roads (they must be serviced). You do the math.

Satellites can measure temperature, but only relative temperature. They are incapable of measuring an absolute temperature, which is required to determine the temperature of the Earth. They can only measure light. They must depend on the Stefan-Boltzmann law to convert that to some idea of temperature. The emissivity of Earth is unknown, and varies widely even over the space of a single inch. The only way to measure emissivity is to first accurately know the temperature of the surface you are measuring, then comparing the light you see coming from the surface to the ideal black body reference at the same temperature.

So satellites are great and finding where warm currents are (such as the Gulf Stream), but not how warm they actually are. You have to turn to thermometers to measure that.

Anyone that tells you the temperature of the Earth, either now or in the past, is making up numbers to do so, or quoting someone else that made up numbers to do so. In either case, using random numbers as data is a fallacy, known as an 'argument from randU' fallacy. (a randU is a type of random number, the kind thought up in someone's head...the so-called 'predictable' random number).

Any time you see someone make an argument based on 'everyone', 'rarely', 'no one', 'most', 'few', or an actual number to embellish an argument, you are seeing an argument from randU fallacy.

So what is data? What makes data valid data? My standards are much higher than most and with good reason. Anyone can mug up numbers and call them 'data'.
For me to even consider data as valid data, I must know:
* who collected the data
* when the data was collected
* where the data was collected
* the purpose for collecting the data
* the instrumentation used for collecting the data, if any
* the calibration source of that instrument
* must have the raw data available and published in a form that I can examine
* if a summary of the data is presented, the margin of error must be shown, along with the source of variance.

Data is simply data. It is not a crystal ball, a set of magick holy entrails, or a prediction in any way. There is nothing 'scientific' about data in any way. Data is simply data, or it is not. Data is only evidence. It is not a proof. All of it is the result of an observation, and all observations are subject to the problems of phenomenology.

Hence, observation itself is not a proof. It is only evidence.

I've covered several related subjects here. Read through it until you understand it. Then you will understand why I take the position I do.
 
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Seriously, where did you two idiots get taught all this nonsense.
From looking at the theories of science themselves... They are even available for YOU to take a look at...

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Proof: evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.
You do know that I can use Google to find out which dictionaries you appealed to, right? For "evidence", you appealed to 'Lexico' and for "proof" you appealed to 'dictionary.com'...

The definition provided for 'proof' seems to be more or less defining 'proof' as "evidence that has been deemed holy".

Rather, evidence is "any statement which supports an argument" and proof is "an extension of a foundational axiom".

"Science does not make use of supporting evidence"... ROFLMAO
Argument of the Stone Fallacy. You can't dismiss an argument as absurd without counterargument.
 
From looking at the theories of science themselves... They are even available for YOU to take a look at...

So you are not going to provide where you are getting this crap? Link us up cupcake. Show us the theories you are referring to.

You do know that I can use Google to find out which dictionaries you appealed to, right? For "evidence", you appealed to 'Lexico' and for "proof" you appealed to 'dictionary.com'...

Neither definition is correct, and the definition provided for 'proof' seems to be more or less defining 'proof' as "evidence that has been deemed holy".

Rather, evidence is "any statement which supports an argument" and proof is "an extension of a foundational axiom".


Argument of the Stone Fallacy. You can't dismiss an argument as absurd without counterargument.

Are you fucking kidding? The statement is beyond ignorant. How does science accomplish ANYTHING without using supporting evidence? It is like you two morons don't comprehend the meanings of words. You continually make moronic comments, all the while thinking you are sounding intelligent.
 
No, you don't. Hence I keep needing to correct you.

No, it is YOU that is doing that. Evidence is simply evidence. There is nothing 'scientific' about any evidence, whether it supports a theory or conflicts with at theory.

Science does not use supporting evidence at all. It only uses conflicting evidence. Literally mountains of supporting evidence mean nothing in the face of a single piece of conflicting evidence.


No, it is conflating terminology, what you accuse me of doing.

Not a cult. This is a worldwide fundamentalist style religion.

They have no data. Statistical math does not allow cooked data. Only raw data is used, and it must be available.

They have no falsifiable theories. They don't even have a nonfalsifiable theory. They do have a religion though.

Science isn't scientists, 'real' or 'fake'. It isn't any university degree. It isn't any government organization, scientist, group of scientists, or even people at all.

Science is just a set of falsifiable theories.

Among the theories denied by the Church of Global Warming are the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law. This religion also denies statistical, probability, and random number mathematics. It is THEY that are the deniers. They deny science and mathematics, as do their high priests of that religion, the climate 'scientist'.

Again, you are WRONG. You continue spewing forth nonsense.

There is scientific evidence and anecdotal evidence. Educate yourself moron.

Science uses evidence to support OR falsify a theory. Saying it only uses evidence to falsify a theory is incorrect.

Again idiot... I stated they are fake scientists because they hide their ADJUSTMENTS to the data.

Also idiot... I did not say that Science is 'fake' or 'real'. I stated the SCIENTISTS are fake/real. Once again you create a moronic straw man.
 
So you are not going to provide where you are getting this crap?
I already told you my source.

Link us up cupcake.
Science is not any "holy link"... It is a set of falsifiable theories. You have already been told the theories of science which stand in the way of the Church of Global Warming dogma.

Show us the theories you are referring to.
No need. You can look them up for yourself. Look up the Laws of Thermodynamics. Look up the Stefan Boltzmann Law.

Are you fucking kidding?
I don't know what a "kidding" is, nor how to fuck one...

The statement is beyond ignorant. How does science accomplish ANYTHING without using supporting evidence?
This has already been explained to you. See ITN's post #91.

It is like you two morons don't comprehend the meanings of words.
Inversion Fallacy. This is YOUR issue, not ours.

You continually make moronic comments, all the while thinking you are sounding intelligent.
Inversion Fallacy.
 
So you are not going to provide where you are getting this crap? Link us up cupcake. Show us the theories you are referring to.
* 1st law of thermodynamics. You can't create energy out of nothing. Energy is neither created nor destroyed.
* 2nd law of thermodynamics. You can't reduce entropy in any system. You can't make heat flow from cold to hot.
* Stefan-Boltzmann law. You can't reduce the radiance of Earth (by trapping light) and increase its temperature at the same time.
* Plank's law. You can't trap light. You can create and destroy it by conversion from and to another type of energy, but you cannot trap light.
* You cannot trap heat. Heat is the flow of thermal energy. All you can do is reduce or increase it.
Are you fucking kidding? The statement is beyond ignorant.
How does science accomplish ANYTHING without using supporting evidence?
This question was already answered. New theories can come from anywhere. As long as they are falsifiable, and they continue to survive tests designed to destroy the theory, that theory is part of the body of science.
It is like you two morons don't comprehend the meanings of words.
Okay. Define 'climate change'. Describe the falsifiable theories in 'climate science'. Remember, the test for falsifiability must be specific and produce a specific result.
You continually make moronic comments, all the while thinking you are sounding intelligent.
YALIF. You are just denying science, dude.
 
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