Ok those on the left here is your chance.

Is the corona virus death toll be used as a political tool?

  • YES

    Votes: 13 61.9%
  • NO

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
Those were totalitarian dictatorships, not social democracies.

The German, Danish, Norwegian, Swiss, Canadian, and South Korean economies are just fine.

Those country are all still capitalist. They say they are capitalist countries. Dolt.
 
Those country are all still capitalist. They say they are capitalist countries. Dolt.

OK, so then if we want to emulate those countries by adopting their social policies like single payer health care, what is the big deal?
 
Okay, since you are struggling with your reading skills as well, let's try again. If the infection rate IS LESS THAN 1:1 the number of new cases will go down. True or False?

The sum would be 0 infected if less than 1:1. 1 to 1 is 100% of the other :palm:
 
You won’t get far claiming 2 plus 2 is a multiplication problem, braying jackass.

He won't get far arguing there's a sum under/over 1:1 with anyone who can do 1st. grade math, either.
 
The sum would be 0 infected if less than 1:1. 1 to 1 is 100% of the other :palm:

BZZZZZZTTTTTTT!! No. If the infection rate is less than 1:1, the number of new cases will drop. It will NOT go to zero, at least not initially. Take a remedial math class for Pete's sake.
 
OK, so then if we want to emulate those countries by adopting their social policies like single payer health care, what is the big deal?

No big deal. But Bernie wanted medicare for all. Which is different.

It also diminishes the effectiveness of the private market. Even destroys it over time. Its why a lot of Canadians come to the US for procedures.
 
No big deal. But Bernie wanted medicare for all. Which is different. .

How so? All M4A does is have the government reimburse your provider instead of an insurance company.

It's a part of the process you aren't involved with at all, that happens after you get your health care.
 
It also diminishes the effectiveness of the private market. Even destroys it over time. Its why a lot of Canadians come to the US for procedures.

What exactly does having a private company administer reimbursement to your provider do to enhance or improve the health care you've already had?
 
We are upset because we went from zero deaths in January to having one-third of the cases and deaths on the planet. Some of us do not see that as a success. We are 4 percent of the world's population. We are doing worse than any other country. The differing factor is Trump. Yes, it is a big deal, A real fucking big deal and we are piling up deaths.

You can't look at raw numbers and make a statement like that. Let's look at some facts. Comparing two countries closest to us in deaths.

U.S.
.3% infection rate.
5.7 mortality rate.

Italy
.3% infection rate.
13% mortality rate.

Spain
.5% infection rate.
10% mortality rate.

Now I don't know where you went to school but I was taught that comparing the above stats the US did and is doing a great job. Go find something else to whine about.
 
What exactly does having a private company administer reimbursement to your provider do to enhance or improve the health care you've already had?

Less Drs want to use govt reimbursed HC because it has lower payments. Meaning less Drs will go into being a PCP. Meaning HC shortages which we see in Canada and other countries. In the end the care is not as good. You would also need a referral to see a specialist.

So lets say you have bad GERD and you want to see a gastroenterologist. If your DR feels its not serious, you're screwed and will be in pain.
 
Why is this a left/right thing?

Because that is how it appears to break down. The left want to turn this into a major issue tanking the economy in an effort to drag their pathetic candidate across the finish line in November.

The right mostly think this is stupid and enough is enough. Why do you pretend this is something else?

And I don't understand the question. Mortality rate is just one of the considerations. If you've been paying attention, another major consideration is not overwhelming the healthcare system.

How many people have died solely due to the Virus? ANYONE? Have ANY hospitals been overrun with Covid 19 cases? Where?
 
LOL, who decides what's honest and what's BS? You? Too funny. It is less about deaths and more about hospital capacity and how that will IMPACT deaths. Hospitals have limited resources, both PPE, ventilators, ICU beds, hospital beds, and most importantly, health care workers. Opening up too early and removing social distancing measures will lead to a spike in cases and leave open the possibility that we have major outbreaks in multiple cities and states that will overwhelm our healthcare system and lead to a huge spike in deaths.

How many hospitals have been overrun with Covid cases and deaths? Where?
 
No. The infection rate is just as important if not more so. If we infect 40% of the population and we have a mortality rate of 0.3% that's still 600,000 dead. And if we overrun our healthcare system, 0.3% is probably really low

Your numbers are absurd and stupid. How many people have died solely as a result of this virus and nothing else?
 
Reopening will occur when it's safe. Last time when the nation jumped the gun it got bad quickly. Even after states officially open, things will be stagnant. Most people will keep to social distancing and avoiding group activities and social outings. Festivals and venues have stuff canceled well through the fall. So with all this in mind why don't we just simmer down about economics. The effect won't change that much either way and if we do open and make things worse the economy will end up even worse for wear.

Why don't you tell that to the 40 million Americans losing their jobs and livelihoods? How about the tens and thousands of small businesses that have been bankrupted? :palm:
 
Less Drs want to use govt reimbursed HC because it has lower payments

A majority of doctors support Medicare for All.

And lower payments in the context of the chargemaster, which has artificially high costs that the insurer and your provider work out ahead of time so both can benefit financially.


Meaning less Drs will go into being a PCP. Meaning HC shortages which we see in Canada and other countries. In the end the care is not as good. You would also need a referral to see a specialist.

No, you wouldn't need a referral for a specialist because in M4A, there are no more provider networks and you have the choice to see any provider you want. You don't have that choice now; your choice is limited to providers in your network. And you can't just go see a specialist without a referral right now.


So lets say you have bad GERD and you want to see a gastroenterologist. If your DR feels its not serious, you're screwed and will be in pain.

You are describing the current system, not M4A.
 
Of course they are. They are trying to ruin the economy so Trump won't win in 2020. That's all these dim governors care about.

:thumbsup: The irony is that they are bankrupting their own States as a result. ;) Hard to have revenue when you close down more than half of your businesses and throw 30 million onto unemployment rolls.
 
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