Trump's Business Acumen

Trump went bankrupt 6 times and for some reason, those mean old banks quit giving him money. Trump was flat broke. However, the bank that was involved with him, decided his name was worth money. So they hired him as a management company and used his name. That is what saved him from a sad broke life. They have built lots of apartments and hotels using his name. He better steal a lot as president because Trumps name is being taken off the buildings now. He is such an asshole.

He ran for president because it would make his name worth more. He was supposed to lose. That was the plan. That is why he kept saying such insane and wrong things at rallies. After a while he realized how well his con was working saying " I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any voters'. He was shocked that his con worked on so many people. There was nothing he could say that would prevent his suckers from voting for him ,even the horrible McCain remarks did not work. he tried to drive voters away, but they did not listen. he tried to lose .
 
Oneuli said:
What makes you imagine someone suggested Trump had been charged? Be specific, please.



What makes you imagine someone suggested Trump had been directly connected to the Russian collusion? Be specific, please.

This right-wing tendency to try to get others to adopt the straw men of their own inventions, so they can have something in their weight class to fight, just doesn't do it for me. Address my actual points, not things you wish I'd said.
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"It's like you've completely missed the fact that the Russia collusion theory ended up being correct,". Completely wrong of course. Trump is not involved at all. Please feel free to back up your statement or just keep spouting left wing talking points. Your choice.
 
anatta said:
that was jobs growth,and yes I'm aware,and yes I give Obama credit for that because I'm not a partisan hack.
Unlike some people who won't give credit to Trump for the BOOM.
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The boom that started June of 2009? That would be pretty weird to give Trump credit for, wouldn't it? Or do you mean some other boom? If so, I'd need you to be more specific before I could weigh in on whether Trump should get credit. The boom in the federal deficit? Yes, that's largely attributable to him and I don't want to deny him any credit for it.

The GDP was higher because the other countries used an austerity approach, rather then a stimulus.
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Yes. And here in the US, the same conservative economic know-nothings tried to push the same austerity measures. If we'd had a worse president, they might have succeeded. But Obama partly held the line against that Republican mania, and spared us the worst of the self-inflicted wounds other wealthy nations were causing themselves.

But clearly deregulation as well as tax reform is causing a Trump boom across all sectors ( not a bubble).
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Are you referring to the continuation of the Obama era growth?

I'm pretty sure we'll get an annual GDP of 3% this year - Obama did not come close
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One thing I need to remind right-wingers about occasionally is that it's best if we build our arguments on this reality, rather than the alternate one that only exists on Fox News. On Fox News, of course, the annual GDP growth rate never got close to 3% during the Obama years. That would be a lie. As recently as 2015, the rate was 2.9%, which is as close as you can get without actually hitting it.

Because the sequestor had hollowed our our military
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Our military hasn't been hollowed out, it's been obscenely bloated. It's far and away the most over-funded military in the history of the world. No other nation in history has ever spent as much, relative to its contemporaneous rivals, as the US does. Based on 2017 IISS numbers, we could cut our military budget in half and still outspend Russia and China combined by an enormous margin.

Obama did his own deficit blow up. $10t to $20t on his watch.
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The deficit declined dramatically on Obama's watch.

Trump GDP growth is much more then "modest" for 2018.
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Not so far. So far, it was up 2.2% in Q1 and 4.1% for Q2, meaning we're on pace for below-average annual growth, relative to the historical averages during the modern era. Presumably with the vast amount of deficit spending we're doing now, the balance of the year will be decent, but nothing special in historical terms, and we will have piled up a ton of debt to finance it.
 
Oneuli said:
The boom that started June of 2009? That would be pretty weird to give Trump credit for, wouldn't it? Or do you mean some other boom? If so, I'd need you to be more specific before I could weigh in on whether Trump should get credit. The boom in the federal deficit? Yes, that's largely attributable to him and I don't want to deny him any credit for it.



Yes. And here in the US, the same conservative economic know-nothings tried to push the same austerity measures. If we'd had a worse president, they might have succeeded. But Obama partly held the line against that Republican mania, and spared us the worst of the self-inflicted wounds other wealthy nations were causing themselves.



Are you referring to the continuation of the Obama era growth?



One thing I need to remind right-wingers about occasionally is that it's best if we build our arguments on this reality, rather than the alternate one that only exists on Fox News. On Fox News, of course, the annual GDP growth rate never got close to 3% during the Obama years. That would be a lie. As recently as 2015, the rate was 2.9%, which is as close as you can get without actually hitting it.



Our military hasn't been hollowed out, it's been obscenely bloated. It's far and away the most over-funded military in the history of the world. No other nation in history has ever spent as much, relative to its contemporaneous rivals, as the US does. Based on 2017 IISS numbers, we could cut our military budget in half and still outspend Russia and China combined by an enormous margin.



The deficit declined dramatically on Obama's watch.



Not so far. So far, it was up 2.2% in Q1 and 4.1% for Q2, meaning we're on pace for below-average annual growth, relative to the historical averages during the modern era. Presumably with the vast amount of deficit spending we're doing now, the balance of the year will be decent, but nothing special in historical terms, and we will have piled up a ton of debt to finance it.
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""One thing I need to remind right-wingers about occasionally is that it's best if we build our arguments on this reality, rather than the alternate one that only exists on Fox News. On Fox News, of course, the annual GDP growth rate never got close to 3% during the Obama years. That would be a lie. As recently as 2015, the rate was 2.9%, which is as close as you can get without actually hitting it.""


Let's talk facts. Can you find the last President who didn't have a single year of 3% GDP growth during their term? And I'm not coming from a pro-Trump perspective because I'm not pro-Trump. I'm coming from a facts perspective.
 
anatta said:
ridiculous.
first off use a legal term not a political term.
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Why? I pointed out the collusion theory was correct. That's true. We now know the Trump campaign did, in fact, collude with the Russians. If you want to say "yeah, but Mueller hasn't yet proven involvement in a criminal conspiracy by Trump himself" that's fine. I never claimed he had. I claimed that the collusion theory was correct... which, as you know, it was.

There was an offer of a meeting to get dirt on Hillary. The meeting was accepted -but that's as far as it went.
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Incorrect. It wasn't just accepted, it was actually attended.

A Trump conspiracy would have to show both parties working towards a corrupt goal
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Both conspired to break US campaign finance laws, which forbid foreigners from providing things of value to US campaigns, and US campaigns from soliciting things of value from foreigners.
 
Sailor said:
"It's like you've completely missed the fact that the Russia collusion theory ended up being correct,". Completely wrong of course.
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No. There's no honest question about it, at this point. We have the emails and everything, proving that not only did three top people in the Trump campaign meet with Russian agents to try to get valuable information against Clinton, but that they knew, at the time, that they were agents of the Russian government and the information was part of Putin's support for the Trump campaign.

So, please feel free to admit you were wrong, if you'd like to shred some tattered remnant of your honor.
 
cawacko said:
Let's talk facts.
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Gladly: the fact is anatta claimed Obama never came close to 3% GDP, yet he had annual growth as high as 2.9%, which is as close as you can get to 3% without actually hitting. How were those facts?

I'm not arguing that Obama had 3% annual growth, or that 3% annual growth is uncommon, etc., so you're arguing right past me. I'm just pointing out that anatta's claim was dishonest.
 
hvilleherb said:
Democrats just don't understand business. Trump was even able to overcome obstacles when local banks started blackballing him. He was able to find new investors willing to partner with him without a problem.
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Yep. The Russians. That’s why they own his incompetent orange ass.

What does gatewaypundit and Breitbart tell you?
 
Oneuli said:
I don't think he owns and operates any, but I thought some had Trump branding.
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according to his wikipedia page he's out of the casino business but that could obviously be wrong. I believe, please pardon me if I am wrong, you were making the argument that he operates casino's in red states.
 
Oneuli said:
No. There's no honest question about it, at this point. We have the emails and everything, proving that not only did three top people in the Trump campaign meet with Russian agents to try to get valuable information against Clinton, but that they knew, at the time, that they were agents of the Russian government and the information was part of Putin's support for the Trump campaign.

So, please feel free to admit you were wrong, if you'd like to shred some tattered remnant of your honor.
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The only one getting shredded here lady is you and your faux intelligence. I am surprised with all this data that Mueller has not brought Trump up on anything. No ties, no connections. Nothing. However, like most on the far left if you heard it, it must be fact.
 
Oneuli said:
Gladly: the fact is anatta claimed Obama never came close to 3% GDP, yet he had annual growth as high as 2.9%, which is as close as you can get to 3% without actually hitting. How were those facts?

I'm not arguing that Obama had 3% annual growth, or that 3% annual growth is uncommon, etc., so you're arguing right past me. I'm just pointing out that anatta's claim was dishonest.
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fair enough, 2.9% is close to 3%
 
cawacko said:
Trump is a marketing genius. Not sure how to deny that. Even with multiple business failures he still convinced people his brand was the gold standard and had people pay him millions to put his name on their buildings.
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Yep. Gullible people everywhere. His supporters are perfect examples.
 
domer76 said:
:lolup::rofl2:

Pull your head out of your ass, waterboy, and pay attention. Maybe you’ll learn something. Doubtful, but not impossible.
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"little" man, adults are trying to have a discussion here. Go on back to the kids table until your grow up a little.
 
Sailor said:
"little" man, adults are trying to have a discussion here. Go on back to the kids table until your grow up a little.
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“No facts”. :rofl2:

You really are a willfully ignorant little turdlicker, aren’t you, cunt?

What’s the problem, waterboy? They don’t deliver the news in your part of the world?

Stupid fuckwad.
 
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